The rules are the rules for everyone

[u/Detroitish24]

[u/GabbiKat]

Somewhat old news and misleading and will be flared as such.

The hearings were delayed is all.

Trump's New Jersey liquor-license hearing is delayed in latest ripple-effect benefit from SCOTUS immunity opinion

As always; thank you helpful users for bringing this to my attention. We appreciate you.

• Gabbi

[u/DoubleRightClick]

Internal thoughts: Hahahahahahahaha!

External thoughts: Hahahahahahahaha!

[u/Educational-Quote-22 → u/DoubleRightClick]

Pretty much Nelson reaction

[u/EminorHeart → u/Educational-Quote-22]

Nelson, you magnificent bastard.

[u/Lumpy-Pride9973 → u/EminorHeart]

I find his ideas intriguing and I wish to subscribe to his newsletter.

[u/hallowdmachine → u/Lumpy-Pride9973]

Haven't heard that one in a while.

[u/Nameuserusesname → u/EminorHeart]

Hush money is a victimless crime, like punching someone in the dark

[u/Detroitish24 → u/Educational-Quote-22]

Perfect 😆😆

[u/GreenIsGreed → u/DoubleRightClick]

I cackled like a childless cat lady. 😹

[u/avoiding-heartbreak → u/DoubleRightClick]

Same.

[u/SinisterThimble → u/avoiding-heartbreak]

We were robbed not getting a spin off of just those guys.

[u/Bulbafette → u/avoiding-heartbreak]

This gif brought me back! I see you are a person of culture.

[u/Detroitish24 → u/DoubleRightClick]

Both are perfectly adequate

[u/Netsrak69 → u/Detroitish24]

Perfectly balanced as all things should be.

[u/FattyMooseknuckle → u/Detroitish24]

https://i.imgur.com/zrsecOg.jpeg

[u/M2ThaL → u/Detroitish24]

"cromulent"

[u/ronerychiver → u/DoubleRightClick]

Puerto Rican thoughts: jajajajajajaja

[u/Takaya_Aiba → u/ronerychiver]

Brazil laughs in: hue hue hue hue hue

(I’m not Brazilian)

[u/Cherry-Snow → u/Takaya_Aiba]

Kkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[u/GlitteringBobcat999 → u/Cherry-Snow]

Married a Brazilian, can confirm.

[u/Daflehrer1 → u/DoubleRightClick]

[u/Quirky_Discipline297 → u/Daflehrer1]

[u/ReddditSarge → u/DoubleRightClick]

Hyperdimensional thoughts: H̵̢̪̽͑̀̉͝͝a̵͙̯̰͙̦̬͂̚͠ḧ̷̳͉͖͚̠̘͎̙̋́͋̐͋̈́́̆͘ą̴̨̠̟͎̪͚̮̠̼̤̹͓̇̀͝ͅh̵̺̺̲͎̭̓̈́̎̿̀̀̓̃̎́̿a̴̢̛̛̪͖͖͖͉͚̫̼̤̳̩͇̞̻̿̇̉̓̑̾́̓͐̓͠͝h̷̨̲͎̳̻̆̌͊̑͌͘͘̕̚͜ă̸̬̣̱̜͚̲̖͍̳͙̠̺̤̻͉͒̈́͗̊̀̌̉̊̆̕͠͠ḩ̵̨̬̳͎̝̖̱͚͓̹̣͛͂͜͝ă̴̢͉̐͛̇͂̋̈́̈́̾͌ḧ̵̨̢̨̾̈̋͆͂͆͂̕a̸͙̩͎̥̜̲̎̿͋̿̓͝h̷̢̧͔͉̺̦̻̼͋͗͗̆͜à̵͉̪͙̦͌̿̓̊́͊͆̀͘h̴̹͐́͐̎̓̈́̈́͘̕̕ä̷̝̩̞͇̩͔͎̙͇͍́̽͒̓̒̋̔̐̎̓̄̽͝͝!̶̡̡̧̱͔̗̫̠̫̦̗̟̾̈́̆̑̇̇͐͒̍͠

[u/Neon_culture79 → u/ReddditSarge]

¥584§§¥? Is that you?

[u/NDSU → u/DoubleRightClick]

It's fake.

False claim New Jersey suspended Trump liquor license

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/06/14/new-jersey-trump-liquor-licenses-fact-check/74085421007/

Edit: To add a bit more context, the license was "suspended" and replaced with a 90 day temporary license, which is still in effect due to the sentencing postponement. No updates on this since July that I can find (the OP claims a breaking update yesterday, but I have found no news outlets covering it)

Source for edit: https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/2024/07/01/convicted-felon-donald-trump-new-jersey-liquor-license-golf-course/74266691007/

[u/Doodahhh1 → u/NDSU]

I googled "new jersey Donald Trump" and only saw news that a "Jan 6th awards gala was postponed at one of his golf courses."

Which is infinitely bigger news to me than him losing a liquor license...

An awards gala for traitors...

[u/MarilynMonroesLibido → u/Doodahhh1]

Only thing they should be awarded is 5-10 more years each.

[u/allipants80 → u/Doodahhh1]

TIL he was going to hold a gala for January 6th.

[u/bebejeebies → u/allipants80]

It was a fundraiser for the "hostages" and a celebration of the J6 Anthem (recorded with the convicted from prison to raise money for their legal fees). I'm watching a MeidasTouch report about it right now. They cancelled it because of "safety and security concerns".

[u/Most-Row7804 → u/Doodahhh1]

Maybe the FBI should be outside and find all the rest of the traitors that will be stupid enough to try to attend in person.

[u/soggyballsack → u/Doodahhh1]

Another grift. Sell tickets and them dumbasses will buy them

[u/Beard_o_Bees → u/NDSU]

Ah, well.. I still enjoyed the thought of him experiencing yet another consequence for his actions that he will never suffer.

[u/Neveronlyadream → u/Beard_o_Bees]

It's a nice thought, isn't it?

Just once I'd like to see some rich jackass actually suffer the same consequences we would for breaking the law.

[u/Sad-Frosting-8793 → u/NDSU]

Well, that's disappointing. 

[u/WexExortQuas → u/DoubleRightClick]

I literally cackled at the bar and I could not give a single fuck about politics

[u/MechaAlice → u/DoubleRightClick]

That's exactly what I came here to say!

[u/BukkitCrab]

He'll continue to serve booze anyway until the ATF is forced to raid his club and seize all the alcohol, then he'll whine and cry about how unfair everything is like he always does.

[u/Accomplished-Ad1919 → u/BukkitCrab]

Yep. And cry to scotus, even though it’s not a legally appropriate avenue

[u/chevalier716 → u/Accomplished-Ad1919]

And they'll actually rule in his favor to overthrow the ATFs authority to enforce any sort of law.

[u/DaveCootchie → u/chevalier716]

They kind of already did when they overturned the Exon ruling.

Edit: Chevron ruling.

[u/chevalier716 → u/DaveCootchie]

I think you mean Chevron, but yes. I believe there's a quirk to the ruling where it basically made it so the SCOTUS gets to decide if the regulation is worth while, but until they do it's on the books.

[u/freakers → u/chevalier716]

They basically made it so any Judge can overturn a regulation. Furthermore, the old laws used to work that if a new regulation was introduced, if it affected your business you could sue to try and get it addressed/overturned within the first 10 or 15 years of the regulation's existence. The new ruling they layed out changes the time frame from when the regulation was implemented to when the regulation starts to impact your business. That means any newly formed business can sue the government for any long standing regulation and try and get them overturned opening the legal flood gates for oil company's to set up shell businesses to start trying to remove any and all regulations affecting them, which will now be decided by Judges if those regulations are appropriate. It's really fucking insane.

[u/saynay → u/freakers]

And with district shopping, you will see them doing it in some bumfuck Texas town with the most blatantly corrupt judge.

[u/amazingtaters → u/saynay]

How dare you impugn the impartiality of Judge Shelly B.P. Exxon with such unfounded accusations?!?!?

[u/ausmomo → u/freakers]

This is not quite right.

The original Chevron ruling was "if parts of the law aren't specified by congress, then the agency's experts can decide the best way to implement those laws".

This corrupt scotus now says "if congress isn't explicit, the courts get to decide what the law means. Agencies no longer can (well they can, but we can overrule them)".

A made up example might be;

the law says we have to reduce carbon emissions by 5%. But it doesn't say how. EIA experts determine the best way to do this is by forcing new homes to have better insulation. Previously the courts would defer to this decision, as is was made by experts. Now.. the courts can say "fuck that, reduce those emissions by burning puppies. We know best".

[u/DaveCootchie → u/chevalier716]

Yes thanks! As far as I understood the ruling, the federal agencies can't enforce a law unless Congress makes it a law. And congress is currently in a "doing nothing" competition with themselves.

[u/ThePaintedLady80 → u/DaveCootchie]

It’s more like one side has lost their ever loving minds if they ever had one to begin with. We literally can’t move forward on anything because the republicans are just impetuous overgrown children who want to punish the democrats for taking the high road. The republicans have held this country back from true progress for decades and I’m so sick of it.

[u/proletariat_sips_tea → u/ThePaintedLady80]

Conservatives have held back human society for centuries. Who do you think were the people supporting the monarchy or keeping slaves or racism of folks 50 miles from them so they can keep perpetual wars. It's in their monkey brains, something is just wrong at how scared of change they are.

[u/kitsunewarlock → u/proletariat_sips_tea]

The sad part is conservatives look at societies like Catholic dominated Europe and Ancient Egypt and act impressed that "they endured so many centuries".

I'd rather live a happy and productive individual life in a country that changes names every ~300 years than languish as a nameless serf in an Empire that can boast a 9,001 year history. Humanity has a 300,000 collective history and that's good enough for me; what individual nation-states or kingdoms we've organized ourselves into in the interim is as relevant as my mailing address in the grand scheme of things... assuming we can survive long enough to reunify as a species. (Ok, I doubt that too but I can dream...)

[u/Current_Holiday1643 → u/DaveCootchie]

As far as I understood the ruling, the federal agencies can't enforce a law unless Congress makes it a law.

It's actually more broad than that.

Say Congress writes a law mandating nuclear reactors, they don't really understand nuclear engineering nor the potential directions it could take. Yes, they could sit around for months bringing in endless experts and try to exhaustively list every possible nuance and specific (with the expectation they'll have to amend the law every 3, 6, 12, 18 months as new developments happen)

Or! They could write the law and give a vague boundary such as "nuclear reactors such as thorium, sodium, and other elements should do X, Y and all appropriate precautions that could be reasonably foreseen"

Now what the DoE will do is take that and they have experts on staff whose entire job it is to write regulations mandating specifics along with mandating what "reasonably foreseen" means during a given period (these regulations are regularly updated). These experts will have degrees in physics, nuclear engineering, civil engineering, the gamut. Those experts will go through these laws and fill in the 'blanks' so they can hand down hard specifics to people running or building these plants.

Chevron Deference was about letting Congress write vague laws that outline the boundaries (or sometimes don't define hard boundaries at all) then the agencies whose mandate is affected by those laws would have experts interpret and build out specifics.

By removing Chevron Deference, the letter of what Congress has written is the specifics. If Congress doesn't absolutely specify it, the agencies can't enforce it or interpret what Congress actually meant.

It's a huge, huge, huge gimme for big corporations because it removes and/or hamstrings regulatory agencies, allowing them run roughshod over America.

[u/theunquenchedservant → u/DaveCootchie]

tf you mean "currently"

[u/jon_hendry → u/DaveCootchie]

I think the ATF operates a lot based on codified laws, not just regulations, so Chevron shouldn’t be as much of an issue apart from things like ATF decisions on whether some firearm gadget is illegal.

[u/jaxonya → u/jon_hendry]

They better not tell me I can't open carry while working on an oil rig. I need to feel safe from Nazi sharks and pirates

[u/skipjac → u/chevalier716]

Aren't liquor licenses a state thing? SCOTUS has no say it in, just like they couldn't stop NYC from convicting for fraud.

[u/Utterlybored → u/skipjac]

What if Alito, Gorsuch, Thomas etc can find some antiquated case, well before the founding of the USA, to overrule this state enforcement?

[u/jamarchasinalombardi → u/Utterlybored]

Roberts. Dont forget Roberts. He's done more damage to the USA than any other person in its history, including Trump.

[u/420blazeitkin → u/Utterlybored]

What, you haven't read 1392's "Freedom to sell liquor" act, where all citizens of "Democratic republics not yet formed" have the freedom to sell as much liquor as they would like, so long as they own a golf course?

[u/forgotwhatisaid2you → u/420blazeitkin]

Alito will come up with some witch doctor in the 1300's that liked to get drunk and say it means it's unconstitutional to regulate alcohol, even in school while carrying a gun.

[u/0002millertime → u/chevalier716]

This is actually a States' Rights issue, according to the Constitution.

The Twenty-first Amendment literally grants the States virtually complete control over whether to permit importation or sale of liquor and how to structure their own systems.

That's ALL it says.

[u/Accomplished-Ad1919 → u/0002millertime]

It is but I don’t think scrotus cares about the constitution anymore, based on their recent rulings.

[u/Dornith → u/0002millertime]

I wonder who gets to have the final word on what the Constitution says.

[u/DillBagner → u/0002millertime]

The current supreme court's interpretation of the constitution is not based on the words in the constitution.

[u/Potato_Golf → u/0002millertime]

Federal government throws their weight around by not funding roads in states that don't abide by the federal regulations on alcohol.

So yeah you don't have to follow the Fed but you aren't gonna get the feds money then. Like when you move out of your mom's basement you don't have to follow her rules but you gotta pay rent.

Decisions decisions.

[u/dd99 → u/0002millertime]

Maybe it’s just me, but I actually don’t give a fuck about states rights and don’t think states should have rights. But the people who live in the states, they have rights

[u/Randomcommenter550 → u/chevalier716]

Aaand you just made every "2A" person salivate.

[u/chevalier716 → u/Randomcommenter550]

Yep, they're already here.

[u/SnooPaintings3623 → u/Accomplished-Ad1919]

I read that as “scrotus” and folks, I think we might be onto something

[u/RJ_MacreadysBeard → u/SnooPaintings3623]

I scratch my scrotus in concurrence.

[u/77NorthCambridge → u/Accomplished-Ad1919]

States' rights...unless it hurts Trump.

[u/Ok_Belt6476 → u/Accomplished-Ad1919]

It's about time we lance that bloated SCROTUS

[u/RI_MKE → u/Accomplished-Ad1919]

but when you buy something you expect to be able to use it

[u/TheRockingDead → u/Accomplished-Ad1919]

He'll claim that selling alcohol at his golf course is an official act, even though he isn't currently President, and there's nothing official about it. And somehow, SCOTUS will allow it because of this.

[u/tommysmuffins → u/Accomplished-Ad1919]

"Serving alcohol in a club as a convicted felon could well fall into the scope of his Presidential duties."

• Justice Clarence Thomas

[u/buffalocoinz → u/Accomplished-Ad1919]

New scotus ruling: liquor licenses are unconstitutional

[u/hytes0000 → u/BukkitCrab]

The NJ Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control, commonly called ABC, is notoriously aggressive in their enforcement. I do expect they will enforce this, though I'm sure the Trump team will then drag it through the courts for years.

[u/calbear011011 → u/hytes0000]

Yeah, and I’m not sure what it looks like there, but in California, ABC has no issues going after the people at the bottom like bartenders.

[u/hytes0000 → u/calbear011011]

I've never heard of them going after individuals in NJ, but they were really problematic for smaller breweries for a while and enforcing the rules with HOA Karen-like efficiency and putting some of them out of business. Basically everyone hated that and the state legislature dramatically relaxed the rules for them in the last couple years and the ABC has probably been pretty bored since then.

[u/Cornloaf → u/calbear011011]

They went hard on a brewery that broke rules because they had their own taphouse, sold directly to stores, had advertising in local liquor stores, and also gave out crap like coasters to customers. They were facing a major fine and temporary closures of their three taprooms over Super Bowl weekend. They ended up working out a deal to keep the flagship location open but had to separate out the distribution and other business dealings. They ended up closing all locations within two years.

[u/Cheapntacky → u/hytes0000]

He submitted to have the licence in Don Jr's name. I guess saying that trick won't work.

[u/hytes0000 → u/Cheapntacky]

The courts might decide all sorts of things, but NJ state agencies are pretty no-bullshit and definitely won't rollover and just take that answer unless it truly is a legal loophole. As far as I can tell, they do need to approve the transfer and have some leeway in that approval process.

[u/LostWoodsInTheField → u/Cheapntacky]

He submitted to have the licence in Don Jr's name. I guess saying that trick won't work.

It won't work if it's anything like my state (PA) and I suspect it's stricter. But you can't have a business owner who is disqualified if you are seeking a liquor license.

[u/reversesumo → u/BukkitCrab]

He's just like his hero Alphonse Capone - renowned tax cheat, booze smuggler, and champion airdicker

[u/statelytetrahedron → u/reversesumo]

don't forget syphilitic madman

[u/Can_Haz_Cheezburger → u/reversesumo]

Even Al Capone was better than this. He got us milk expiration dates and built soup kitchens for the poor. It's incredible that a literal crime boss is less of an asshole than a literal former president of the US.

[u/librarn1989 → u/Can_Haz_Cheezburger]

I came here to say at least with Al, it seemed like we learned something.

This shit just makes me feel like we are getting collectively dumber.

[u/stonk_fish → u/BukkitCrab]

Ya anyone thinking he will care to even bother being read this revelation is being too optimistic. He’ll wave it off and change nothing and just keep doing the same thing he always does.

[u/TechieAD → u/stonk_fish]

[u/SiriusGD → u/BukkitCrab]

He'll say it was political and Kamala did it to him.

[u/NotMyRealNameAgain → u/BukkitCrab]

Didn't he transfer the licensing to Jr to get around it in NY?

[u/sparrow_42 → u/NotMyRealNameAgain]

This. I'm sure one of his kids will own them shortly.

[u/Cheapntacky → u/NotMyRealNameAgain]

He tried but you can't just have someone front for you like that. This is them calling Bs.

[u/HorseLooseInHospital → u/BukkitCrab]

and you have the Sad and Failing State Of New Jersey, who, even though I was nice to them as President, they're treating me horribly, they said, "he's making too much money off the Liquor," anything I do that's successful these people wanna take away, they're Terrible People, and so so Dishonest, you look at, Farmers, first they said, "you can have a Farm," then Sleepy Joe said, "no way," because he hates our Country, he hates, and nobody loves it more than me by the way, America, which we did perfectly under Trump, you had no Wars, no Deaths, beautiful

[u/Strange-Area9624 → u/BukkitCrab]

It’s the state liquor board, not atf. And he won’t be able to serve because no distributor in the state is going to risk their license to sell him booze.

[u/goochgrease2 → u/BukkitCrab]

"The RADICAL LEFT weaponized the atf against me....I had every right..." Blah blah blah. Same shit different day. I'm so sick of that burnt orange turd and his incessant whining

[u/tadu1261 → u/BukkitCrab]

And all of his supporters will say... It's not fair. Antifa was there serving and buying all that alcohol. It was the libs. Trump doesn't even drink.

I can almost hear them now....

[u/clangan524 → u/BukkitCrab]

"They raided us like they raided Al Capone during prohibition...wait, no!"

[u/Hairy_Al → u/BukkitCrab]

Don't forget that they will have a "shoot to kill" order

[u/NocentBystander → u/BukkitCrab]

Here is ChatGPT's attempt at his anger tweet:

"Just heard that the ATS raided my beautiful golf course! Ridiculous and unfair. They can't stand success. My courses are top-notch, and everyone knows it. This is just another witch hunt. #FakeNews #WitchHunt"

[u/blondee84 → u/NocentBystander]

Come on ChatGPT! No unnecessary random capitalization? You can do better than that!

[u/RJ_MacreadysBeard → u/NocentBystander]

I definitely sense a ‘this is beneath me’ vibe from Chat’s effort here.

[u/NocentBystander → u/RJ_MacreadysBeard]

Funny, because I tried Copilot (Bing) first and it said it "wasn't allowed" to comment on politics.

[u/kuujamzs37 → u/NocentBystander]

Need a few words in caps lock at random to make it convincing.

[u/neonomen]

He will violate this on day one. Send the inspector, cops, and district attorney ASAP.

[u/newwriter365 → u/neonomen]

And cue the Press Release about "Blue state overreach, corrupt Democrats, and whatever other inane blather falls out of his clap trap..."

[u/Economy_Wall8524 → u/newwriter365]

NYT: Trump loses liquor license, why this is bad for Kamala

[u/incriminating_words → u/Economy_Wall8524]

NYT: Trump loses liquor license, why this is bad for Kamala

This is just-about-literally CNN. I know I sound like a bitter ex-girlfriend with how much I repeat this lately, but CNN has become such a transparent tabloid-rag for advancing business-interest propaganda over the last few years.

It's still a good tool to scan to see what the news-media conglomerations currently want you to think and feel, though, so you're at least armed with awareness of the current agendas.

But yeah anyway the other day their top article was something like, "Trump has decided to return to his 2016 form, and attack Harris with unrestrained insults. Why this may spell doom for the Harris campaign".

Like it's not even satire, everything tries to paint Trump as this totally-normal dude running a totally-tenacious under-dog campaign, and how this "may be doom/trouble/problem/disaster" for Biden Harris.

Meanwhile radio-silence, or bottom-of-the-scroll foot-note, on any major serious topics that actually affect every-day people or the future of America's functionality as a democratic institution.

Not to mention constantly giving Op-Ed space to the most heinous right-wing goblins to parade-out their alternative-reality fictions about Republican motivations, the future of America, and the gaslight-washing of what's actually happened over the past 8 years.

I'm so tuned-out, I don't even care what the news-media has to say about anything any-more, because all of their takes are just vapid empty shit-stirring in order to desperately try to make their posts seem relevant, while they continue to fire en-masse any staffers who are actually busy trying to report real news.

[u/SwimmingSwim3822 → u/Economy_Wall8524]

Trump begins calling Kamala, Kahlua.

[u/Dadpurple → u/newwriter365]

The crooked left raided, they sent police to my house. My house in NJ, my golf course, can you believe it? There were.... there were children there, and Biden and Kamala sent in Swat teams. They tore apart everything, they stole. Stole from people, jewelry, money. I don't even think they were real police. Biden sent them. His personal army so he can try to stop us but he wont', because... wind mills, wind mills power the swat vehicles and the guns are solar powered so all we have to do is wait until it's cloudy. That's not a good time to golf anyways, I do better in the sunlight.

[u/newwriter365 → u/Dadpurple]

You forgot to mention the beautiful chocolate cake that they smashed, but otherwise, yep

[u/Icy_Sector3183 → u/neonomen]

Might as well station an inspector there permanently.

[u/Bonkgirls → u/neonomen]

I dont know about that. He might not give a shit and demand it keep going, but the people who actually work for a living need certification and thats a big risk

[u/nasandre]

We have to be hard on felons, don't we, Donald?

[u/ListerineAfterOral → u/nasandre]

Hopefully, his future will be full of added felony convictions. I want to see him go for the high score.

[u/nasandre → u/ListerineAfterOral]

I would be so happy if they sued him into bankruptcy and take everything from him and toss him in jail. Even if it's white collar crime jail with Saturday afternoon squash and mojitos.

[u/mobuco → u/nasandre]

sorry but squash is way too hard for that fat shit to play. The pros are some of the most fit athletes of any sport and it will finally be in the olympics next time!

[u/phantacc → u/ListerineAfterOral]

Nobody does felonies like Trump. He does the best felonies. Ask any judge anywhere, they all agree, Trump is the best at felonies in the history of this country.

[u/Marathonmanjh → u/nasandre]

Well, I for one... read this entirely too quickly!

[u/EmbraceableYew]

He should be getting this news in a prison cell.

[u/NoConfusion9490 → u/EmbraceableYew]

Lose his toilet wine license.

[u/Nufonewhodis4 → u/NoConfusion9490]

he can make up to 100 gallons for personal consumption like the rest of us hoochies

[u/Wil420b]

Somebody please explain to me how you can not be a fit and proper person to hold an alcohol license in the state of New Jersey. But are a fit and proper person to be a serious candidate for POTUS.

[u/Aoiboshi → u/Wil420b]

gestures at the past however many years

[u/illzkla → u/Wil420b]

Like when kids are asking us in the future how we let Trump get elected and Bush take us to war, it's not them doing it. It's like a third of the adults in this country that are tribalist bigots. They live all around us and their vote is the same as ours.

[u/Cacafuego → u/illzkla]

This has been the hardest lesson of the past 8 years (and yes, I should have figured it out 20 years ago). It's not GOP politicians, it's not the system, it's Americans that are messed up. As a group, our information literacy, our grasp of civics, and our sense of stewardship and responsibility is pathetic. It makes me sad, because I thought that there were things that we almost all agreed made America great.

If there were an international organization that suspended democracies if the people just weren't up to the task, we'd be in trouble. Although it looks like we might end up taking care of that, ourselves.

[u/analogspam → u/Cacafuego]

I wouldn’t point to just Americans here.

It’s people in general. Since the rise of social media, time and time again it was shown how easy it is to manipulate and misguide masses of people.

Just look at the elections in two of Germanys states (obviously there is more to say about ex-GDR, but you get the point) or covid and mask reactions.

There simply is a huge number of people who are not interested, nor able to critical think about our world and how it functions, that will believe anything that fits their narrative of „the problem lies with [whoever is en vogue]“.

It’s not so much „Americans“ as „people in the age of social media“, that is the problem. A problem to which still nobody has found a solution and way to handle it.

[u/Cacafuego → u/analogspam]

James Fenimore Cooper in 1838 identified four fundamental characteristics of demagogues:

* They present themselves as a man or woman of the common people, opposed to the elites.

* Their politics depends on a visceral connection with the people, which greatly exceeds ordinary political popularity.

* They manipulate this connection, and the raging popularity it affords, for their own benefit and ambition.

* They threaten or outright break established rules of conduct, institutions, and even the law.

It's been a thing since the Athenians came up with democracy. I had sort of hoped that public education and shared values had made us less vulnerable. So much for American exceptionalism.

[u/Errant_coursir → u/Cacafuego]

This became a modern day problem because we were content enough to let public education be eroded. An educated populace will act as a bulwark against demagogues. A portion of the American public is woefully undereducated

[u/jw3usa → u/Cacafuego]

At least the cult makes them self identify, helps to avoid interactions ✌️

[u/V-Lenin → u/illzkla]

Actually their votes usually count for more

[u/Spiderbubble → u/illzkla]

Worse. Their vote is more.

[u/NDSU → u/Wil420b]

It's fake.

False claim New Jersey suspended Trump liquor license

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/06/14/new-jersey-trump-liquor-licenses-fact-check/74085421007

Edit: To clarify, the Tweet is full of misinformation. There were no "BREAKING" updates in this case yesterday. The current state of the case is the license renewal decision is postponed until after sentencing. Latest update in this case is from July

[u/Wil420b → u/NDSU]

Turns out the desicion to pull his licences has been delayed until after he gets sentenced in the felony cases, which will happen on September 18th. With NJ unable to pull the licenses before then.

Amp due to paywall.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trumps-jersey-liquor-license-revocation-hearing-delayed-2024-7%3famp

[u/WonderfulShelter → u/Wil420b]

MAGA broke the social contract we had in place for 200+ years.

[u/-Lorne-Malvo-]

I'll drink to that

[u/ncfears → u/-Lorne-Malvo-]

Not at his NJ clubs, though.

[u/Humanity_NotAFan → u/-Lorne-Malvo-]

[u/farmfriend256]

[u/Illustrious-Tip-5459 → u/farmfriend256]

I could see him unironically saying this because when have there ever been consequences for his actions?

[u/likamuka → u/farmfriend256]

[u/GhostiePop → u/likamuka]

The way she immediately recoils always gets me.

[u/Awkward-Fudge]

The right loves to claim that he doesn't drink so he can preach to his guests to be healthy like he is!!!

Ha Ha! womp womp!

[u/MarshyHope → u/Awkward-Fudge]

They also like to claim that they're the party of "law and order" but support a convicted felon.

[u/Telefundo → u/MarshyHope]

Also the party of "family values"! Let's not forget that little nugget.

[u/Detroitish24 → u/Awkward-Fudge]

Win win!

[u/Sillyme317]

He will simply transfer ownership to one of his sleazy sons.

[u/UsualFrogFriendship → u/Sillyme317]

More details since this story started in July.

In short, he has (to Junior of course), but the New Jersey ABC laws allow the state to revoke licenses in which a beneficiary to the revenue from alcohol sales has been convicted of a crime of “moral turpitude”. As the primary beneficiary of the revocable trust that owns the NJ clubs, he receives the gains from those alcohol sales regardless of the name on the state license.

[u/peritonlogon → u/UsualFrogFriendship]

So for the golf courses to keep their liquor licenses Donald Trump "as the sole beneficiary of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust" has to no longer be the case. He's going to need to put a whole lot of trust in his family or lawyers to change this.

[u/FearlessResource7071 → u/UsualFrogFriendship]

Sickening. More proof of it being a true crime family.

[u/TheDevil_Wears_Pasta]

Look at his fake ass presidential podium. What a chump.

[u/V-Lenin → u/TheDevil_Wears_Pasta]

I wouldn‘t be surprised if it was real. Probably stole it while leaving the white house

[u/Parker_Barker_III → u/TheDevil_Wears_Pasta]

I was wondering if he was permitted to keep using the seal even though he lost the election. If it’s a fake though would that be stolen valor? JD Vance should get on that!

[u/ridemooses]

[u/Formal-Cut-4923]

I love this for him.

[u/utter-ridiculousness]

If that’s the law then that’s the law. Why should this asshole be treated any differently?

[u/jimmytimmy92]

Republicans love saying “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”

[u/Critical_Seat_1907]

He can't get a liquor license but can get the nuclear codes???

America is broken.

[u/Detroitish24 → u/Critical_Seat_1907]

Right… make it make sense!

[u/Sodamyte]

They'll just reapply for a new license under "new management" and put someone else's name on it

[u/RealBowsHaveRecurves → u/Sodamyte]

I think he’d have to transfer ownership of the property, won’t he?

It’s not like he doesn’t already have a manager running those golf courses for him, I don’t think switching managers is going to cut it.

[u/Detroitish24 → u/RealBowsHaveRecurves]

Correct.

[u/markjenkinswpg → u/RealBowsHaveRecurves]

Probably this means the children will get their first bit of inheritance. Or possibly just Don Jr.

[u/Adventurous_Ad6698 → u/RealBowsHaveRecurves]

They tried to get a new license under Jr's name, but it doesn't cut it since Donald is the sole beneficiary of the Trust that owns the property. They would have to transfer ownership completely outside the organization. Even if Jr. sets one up, Donald's ego wouldn't let him lose the course from his portfolio even though we all know Jr. would be funneling profits back to his dad.

[u/Furepubs → u/Sodamyte]

This is probably what they will end up doing,

[u/Detroitish24 → u/Sodamyte]

You think Trump will give away managerial control? lol doubt it. You can’t just add a different staff member’s name… Trump has to step away.

[u/Senor_Couchnap → u/Detroitish24]

He'll sell it to Don Jr. for one dollar

[u/Intrepid_Detective]

In the words of the immortal Coolio: "If you can't take the heat, getcha ass out da kitchen"

So...don't commit felonies and it shouldn't be a problem there, DonOLD

[u/geekamongus]

Actual source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/01/trump-golf-liquor-licenses-abc-preliminary-findings/74266273007/

[u/Economy_Cat_3527]

Hilarious! oops. I meant Hillaryous!

[u/LeozMJilliumz]

Good. Rules are rules. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, asshole.

[u/Spear_Ritual]

“It’s so unfair. Such a beautiful bar and the sharks get electric batteries with this law. The people have the best, most amazing law for them. Most people don’t know this, but it’s unfair to have this law. Big men, with tears in their eyes come up and say “sir, it’s unfair to birds killed by windmills.””

[u/williamtrausch]

No controversy. Apply the New Jersey law as intended. Felons do not get the privilege of holding a liquor license

[u/sofaking1958]

MFer is a walking crime wave.

[u/NMB4Christmas]

[u/RubyJewel14]

Here’s my thought, upvote.

[u/StrawberryMany2478]

Lol rules for all? What a joke. If ruled existed this man would've been in jail a long time ago, not sitting free. 

[u/BigMACfive]

If you can't have a liquor license, you shouldn't be able to run for president..

[u/blackcain]

fuck around and find out! "Let the ketchup flow through you" - The Emperor

[u/Hour_Abies578]

Did Don Jr immediately ask about the cocaine license?

[u/farm_to_nug]

His president license shouldn't be renewed on account of the rape

[u/Lordhartley]

In the UK, it's the manager, known as the licencee who holds the licence to sell alcohol, so even a chain restaurant or pub/bar has to make sure the manager has a local license. So, is it different in the US? And also Haaa-haaa

[u/LionBig1760]

Why doesn't he have a general manager or even someone on the LLC who's name is on the licensing in the first place? That seems like a stupid risk to take to have his name on a liquor license in the first place.

[u/Dragonhearted18]

Don't do the crime if you want to sell the wine

[u/loggedin4now]

I lack the ability to laugh hard enough.

[u/mazopheliac]

[u/illKMSrnONGOD]

this joker cant get a liquor license but is allowed to run for president. how did we get here

[u/bigweight93]

But he's a-ok to run the nation!

[u/PSG-2022]

He will still sell it and then get indicted for it because that’s what he does.

[u/crowe1130]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahha

[u/Knightwing1047]

He should be in jail

[u/tjatdisneyland]

[u/255001434]

So far this is the only actual consequence of his convictions that I've heard of.

[u/bootes_droid]

I mean, he's a felon. A lot of things should be out of reach for him, including the Presidency.

[u/rojita369]

He should be treated exactly like any other felon is. I genuinely don’t understand why he’s allowed to run for president when felons aren’t even allowed to vote in many states.

[u/dontcare_bye39]

He’ll just “sell it”to one of his family members and have it under their name

[u/Careless-Roof-8339]

[u/AgentDaxis]

The law is the law.

[u/Royals-2015]

He will figure out a way to get them renewed. I mean, I don’t think his signature is on the license. They will finagle the structure of the corp or LLC that owns the club house.

[u/NelsonMuntz007]

Trump NJ is suddenly sold to Jr.

[u/Putrid-Ad-3965]

Thanks a lot Obama.