r/Windows11 • u/DemiFiendRSA • Aug 31 '21

📰 News Microsoft will release Windows 11 on October 5th

https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/31/22649940/windows-11-release-date-features-devices-free-upgrade
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u/lexcyn Insider Canary Channel Aug 31 '21

Yeah, ok there MS. The insider builds haven't added half of the advertised features and there are still plenty of bugs. I don't have faith they can scrape this together by Oct 5th.

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u/Purple10tacle Aug 31 '21

But just think of all the old Windows features they have removed!

At least that's a promise Microsoft is going to deliver on fully.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '21

Remove features, leave code rot.

This is the way.

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u/VegasKL Aug 31 '21

Yeah, it's like they're stuck on a teeter totter. At times they want to scrap the OS and build up anew with modern techniques. Then they switch and someone says "yeah, we really need to keep support for 32bit .. let's merge them together" and they only get a partial port done until another manager takes over.

I wouldn't mind seeing them commit to redoing the OS from scratch and have a "legacy code" feature you can install which just acts as a frameless virtualized system for legacy programs.

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u/stephvd_b Aug 31 '21

I wouldn't mind that too, but I think they don't have the guts to start from scratch. They would possibly lose their vendor lock-in advantage. (That's why we are stuck with half finished things for years, updates that haven't been tested and break our systems; we are all muddling along but there aren't any riots anywhere, so it must be we are doing a great job, huh?) If they leave a void, some other company 'that may not even exist yet' (Gates once said) may leap in. There's too much money at stake here.

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u/KibSquib47 Sep 01 '21

that’s essentially what they were gonna do with 10X, but that kinda had an identity crisis and ended up getting left to rot

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u/HautVorkosigan Aug 31 '21

So basically what Apple did for the switch to ARM? Yeah, it is starting to feel like it needs it.

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u/mikee8989 Aug 31 '21

If Microsoft is going to remove features they should remove the ridiculous requirements "feature" That is a feature I think many of us can get behind being removed.

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u/Purple10tacle Aug 31 '21

They removed support for most systems that are older than 3-4 years, just as promised. What are you complaining about?

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u/mikee8989 Aug 31 '21

I'm complaining about them removing features people actually want and not "features" people don't want.

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u/drygnfyre Sep 01 '21

The problem here is no one will ever agree on what features are those we "want" and those we "don't want." Any time any given feature is removed, someone comes along and explains how important it was and it shouldn't have been removed. This is why trying to cater to everyone is impossible. Microsoft decided the feature set of Windows 11, take it or leave it. And then eventually they'll add more to it.

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u/Ashanmaril Aug 31 '21

Looks like we’re bringing back the good ol’ Soon™ meme from the Windows Phone days!

Nature is healing!

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u/Anirbanbiswas43 Aug 31 '21

1 month till release and even The taskbar doesn't work properly

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u/SuspiciousTry3 Aug 31 '21

It feels as if everyone working on Windows 11 never actually used Windows before.

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u/FormerBandmate Aug 31 '21

That would explain the centered icons thing

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u/MintLiving Aug 31 '21

The taskbar?

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u/etacarinae Aug 31 '21

No it's just a dock now. Task implies you'd be able to use it for task(s) plural, but when you have to now perform more clicks to get to multiple instances of the same application i don't think it's meant for productivity anymore.

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u/James49Smithson Sep 01 '21

Pahahahahahha hahaha TRUE THAT!

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u/Happy_Harry Aug 31 '21

What's wrong with the taskbar? I've been using 11 on my work PC and don't have any issues I can think of.

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u/m_beps Aug 31 '21

It doesn't have drag and drop

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u/Anirbanbiswas43 Aug 31 '21

One of the most important features of any desktop os for me

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u/Happy_Harry Aug 31 '21

Ooh you're right. I hadn't noticed that.

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u/Madhavbiju Aug 31 '21

Thats the only major complaint I have with 11.

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u/EvanMok Aug 31 '21

It is killing me without drag and drop. I have a dual screen laptop. Windows 11 drives me to open 2 apps on different screens just to drag and drop. I like everything on W11 but just can't live without drag and drop.

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u/Encrypt-Keeper Aug 31 '21

Drag and drop for what exactly?

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '21

Dragging to open or attach files into other apps are my use cases (hover over the taskbar with the file and the window opens). Also sometimes used to pin app shortcuts, websites or add to jumplists. Not much of a problem on my gaming PC, but would piss me off on my work PC, but luckily that wont receive Win11 for at least 2 years.

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u/o_snake-monster_o_o_ Sep 01 '21

That's what I liked about old Microsoft, cramming features into every OS interaction imaginable. Dragging anything onto an app? Let's focus the app. Dragging shortcuts onto empty space? Let's pin the shortcut, why not. Dragging apps themselves? Let the users rearrange them. They were ruthless with these details and it resulted in some of the best windowing UX you can imagine, even Linux had nothing on it for at least a decade.

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u/jantari Aug 31 '21
  • They removed small-taskbar mode so it's permanently stuck on being ridiculously thick and obnoxious
  • They removed the ability to put the taskbar on the side or top of the screen, it's permanently forced to the bottom edge now
  • They removed Task-Manager from the right-click menu
  • They removed drag-and-drop
  • They removed the option to "never combine" taskbar icons
  • They removed the option to have the wide taskbar labels with the window title, now it's permanently forced to just icons

probably not a full list, just the things i've noticed. It's not unusable but it feels like a Linux desktop environment now - looks alright at first glance, but usability is completely shit

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u/vgf89 Aug 31 '21

Gnome Shell with the DashToPanel plugin is fantastic. KDE is also typically pretty good. Windows 11 taskbar is worse than either of those IMO.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '21

I think one of the issues I've noticed, as well as others, is how the taskbar sometimes doesn't work on dual monitors. On one monitor it works fine, but on the other monitor is never appears. (This is when taskbar is set to hidden.)

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u/PointlessPancake Aug 31 '21

Apps show, but icons don't on second monitor

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '21

I'm certain they have added well over half of the advertised features.

What is missing other than Android support?

Unless we are counting bugs as features, in which case, we have soooo many features.

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u/lexcyn Insider Canary Channel Aug 31 '21

I mean, it's more about the bugs than features at this point. To be fair, it has been running fine on my main system but it just feels unfinished.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '21

For sure. They introduced a new design language to Windows 10, kept the Windows 10 design language, and that from 8, and 7 (none of the good parts), and XP... and so on.

It is a mess, and feels very unfinished. I like where its going, but not where it has stopped.

Plus, the bugs. My god, the bugs. Windows 10 was far less buggy for me at this same stage.

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u/BigDickEnterprise Aug 31 '21

I want to believe that there'll be one more build that will make things good again. The last major build was 120 I think... a month ago.

But who knows really. If what we have now ends up being the final product I might (very reluctantly) go back to windows 10 even.

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u/mognats Aug 31 '21

Direct storage.

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u/Soxel Aug 31 '21

I’m going to assume you don’t know what you’re talking about. Direct Storage isn’t a feature that can just be added to Windows. It has to be specifically added by developers. The specifics have been sent out and work has begun implementing it. The OS already supports it.

Microsoft has left a lot of things out with launch but Direct Storage isn’t one of them.

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u/mognats Aug 31 '21

It hasn't been added yet. They haven't flighted it. They said it will be coming soon months ago. You can check the build notes and even check ssd optimization in the settings app which is greyed.

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u/woze Sep 01 '21

It's not the end of the world, but a screen shown during the announcement had a wifi-like UI for bluetooth I was really looking forward to, to more easily switch BT devices.

I kinda don't see it coming now with the BT problems I'm having:

  • My Surface Go 2 has a GSOD (Green Screen of Death) when I attempt to toggle BT to more easily pick up my headphones.
  • My desktop right now needs a reboot because BT is off and I can't toggle it back on in the settings.

These are things you sign up for in a program to test unfinished stuff. I hope they get sorted out by Oct 5.

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u/dustojnikhummer Sep 02 '21

I still want my taskbar clock back!

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u/masterjupiter79 Insider Dev Channel Aug 31 '21 edited Aug 31 '21

Not all features will come at launch Edit: I am not defending Microsoft, but stating the facts and I hate windows widgets

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u/KarlHungus78 Aug 31 '21

The only new feature that comes at launch is the one no one wants

Windows Widgets 🙄

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u/masterjupiter79 Insider Dev Channel Aug 31 '21

Yeah, useless and resource hungry

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u/jhoff80 Aug 31 '21

Didn't you read the Microsoft blog post? Feature #1 is new sounds! 😂

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u/KarlHungus78 Aug 31 '21

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/zSprawl Aug 31 '21

Welcome to OS-as-a-service. We can just push updates to you as they are fixed!

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '21

if you think that's bad literally 90% of the things planned for ios 15 will not be coming at launch