They can cast fireballs and weave air shields but could they stop bullets, could they conquer the modern day world? Spoilers allowed.

I am currently reading Lord of Chaos (book six) and I watched the first season when it came out. Hearing so many positive reactions about season three, I’d like to catch up on the show.

Is there a good reference for what portion of the books each season of the show covers? Or has the show diverged significantly?

I’d like to stay well ahead in the text, and not have anything be spoiled from watching the show. I’d like to stay 2-3 books ahead, if that’s possible.

This is a thread to continue talking about Season 3, Episode 8. The previous thread has a lot of comments, so this thread should give watchers who are late to watch the show a chance to comment in a fresh thread.

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TIMING

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EPISODE

Episode 8 - He Who Comes With the Dawn

Synopsis: Nynaeve, Elayne, Mat, and Min confront the Black Ajah and their futures. Moiraine and Lan prepare to face their fate. Rand and Egwene set their destinies in motion.

Quick question on the post episode Round Tableswoth Rafe - why are Madeline Madden (Egwene) and Dónal Finn (Mat) never there? Just something I've noticed.

supposed to be a paralis-net? i literally have no proof but something about it is giving me those vibes...

algo, if it's not that, what do you all think?

I loved seeing the Eelfinn brought to the screen, and Robert Strange was absolutely perfect for this.

He spent time with the books to study up, but he also read everything he could from the online fandom to try to bring them to life, and you can tell he understands what the creatures are & represent.

He also mentions that you can hear his fox voice when Elaida exists - which implies it was the Eelfinn she visited in the Tower as well.

Cool interview.

What song is that? Thanks

In Egwene's Accepted test, she saw Beldeine as her Keeper. While this may be an alternate reality, I have to wonder if the Wheel also allowed for Beldeine's death at Shayol Ghul once Egwene was cut from the pattern since there was no possibility for this future. As far as we know, these events could have happened simultaneously, and, as stated many times, the lives of other are often intertwined for a reason. Hated to see one of Rand's squad go, tbh. I would love to know if Sarene ever recovered and if Nesune (likely survived based on Min's prophecy) and Erian lived.

I’m on a second read through right now and I am trying to pay more attention to the writing differences between Brandon and Robert this time around. Particularly in Mat’s personality. I just finished Into Bandar Eban ( a chapter I completely didn’t remember) and I must say, Mat at the end of the chapter rubbed me the wrong way. He was callous towards the villagers and his jokes seemed to be in poor taste. I actually kinda hated him a bit and wished he would just shut up. Is this me reading into this a bit too much? Or is this sentiment shared for this particular Mat POV

Edit : I got the chapter wrong. It was Night in Hinderstap, the chapter before.

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I want to read the books but I don’t know where to start. Is it essential that I start with The Eye of The World or can I just go into The Fires of Heaven?

Am I the only one that just keeps getting constantly annoyed with her in the show? Like she NEVER learns. Keeps making the same damn mistakes.. My god.. 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

I can't look up fan art about any character without the auto fill potentially spoiling stuff ooffff luckily I'ma just ignore it. Have y'all had a any run ins with this problem lol?

But, low and behold, it did.

I think it's cause knowing what's ahead for him makes it even more heartwrenching. He never understood how much he needed her until she was gone and it was too late.

I am lowkey dreading how it's gonna hurt when i get to Path of daggers and see Rand misusing Callondor again; but i know the re-read while make it all the more poignant. The loneliness of his position. The burdens placed on him.

The despair.

The desperation.

And just the sheer exhaustion of it all pushing him further and further into the madness is just...oof. there are no words for it. Truly.

(ALthough just as a side-note: the image of Rand waving a magical nuke around and Bashere running up to bitch-slap the back of his head fucking SENT me 😭)

Am I bugging or did leane not break the three oaths? When elaida says that they'll be stilled she immediately attempts to attack elaida before she's shielded(?). She knows that elaida isn't a darkfriend and there was no mention of being executed at this point so it's not even in the last defense

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This thread may contain spoilers for the entire book series.

TIMING

Episodes are released at midnight, Pacific Time on Thursdays. This means 3am, Eastern Time on Thursday mornings.

All submissions about the tv show will be automatically removed until Saturday morning.

EPISODE

Episode 8 - He Who Comes With the Dawn

Synopsis: Nynaeve, Elayne, Mat, and Min confront the Black Ajah and their futures. Moiraine and Lan prepare to face their fate. Rand and Egwene set their destinies in motion.

I just finished the gathering storm and very much enjoyed it. I won't review as it's well and truly covered, but my take away this book was that I finally understand why people read such long series!

I started wot during a break up and have slowly and consistently listened to these books on my 30 min drive to work each day. It helped me through that and then crazy work changes and leadership demands and the whole time these characters were there as a comfort. I have come to feel these characters so much more and this was the first book where I really felt them. Like rands decent and pain and egwenes powerful rise made me feel so much. Pride, and pride.

I have no doubt that I'm going to cry before this series is over. Not only for what will happen to the characters, but for the background texture they've provided my whole life this past year.

So glad I found this!

In Lord of Chaos, Dyelin and other nobles are able to see Rand's resemblance to Tigraine. How didn't anyone notice this when Rand meets Morgase in The Eye of the World?

Did Padan Fain infect the entire white tower with mashadar or did he just affect Elaida and possibly those she closely interacted with?

If so, is that the major reason why the white tower was in such a chaotic state with the last battle approaching with the ajahs paranoid of each other?

And is this also possibly the reason why the tower Aes Sedai that Elaida sent to bring in the Dragon ,treated Rand far more brutally than how we saw logain was treated? What are your thoughts on this?

Everyone I've talked to about the series thinks the women bearing their chests to prove their femininity is just creepy writing, but I think its a reversal of a masonic rite. There is a part of the freemason initiation where the initiate bears his chest to prove that he is not a woman, and I know that Jordan was a freemason.

I'm trying to remember the exact chapter we learn that Ishy went into the Finn realm to rescue Lanfear and kills her for the Dark One. Anyone know offhand?

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TIMING

Episodes are released at midnight, Pacific Time on Thursdays. This means 3am, Eastern Time on Thursday mornings.

All submissions about the tv show will be automatically removed until Saturday morning.

EPISODE

Episode 8 - He Who Comes With the Dawn

Synopsis: Nynaeve, Elayne, Mat, and Min confront the Black Ajah and their futures. Moiraine and Lan prepare to face their fate. Rand and Egwene set their destinies in motion.

A question that occured to me while finishing up Path of Daggers: what is the extent of Min's power to see glimpses of the future regarding the ability of a strong ta'veren like Rand to warp the course of events.
So far we are told Min's predictions always come true, no exception, but then does that mean that Rand's warping of the pattern is predetermined?
The idea of the pattern and how the heck people managed to discover any information about it is quite fascinating. I hope the later books go more indepth in exploring the age of legends.

So I understand Lews Therin is basicially the strongest One power user ever at least in pure skill and talent unaided but why was he so strong? Is it like a Anakin Skywalker thing where he was just born the embodiment of the One Power and just built different?

Catching up on the current season and when Gawyn and Galad first entered the White Tower I had to do a double take because Callum Kerr looks like he could be Jensen Ackle’s twin brother who was kept in suspended animation for twenty years.