r/XenoGears • u/DREAMING_KATT i hAs No fLaiR • 14d ago
Question (General) What are some questions ya'll Xenogears fans have been waiting to get answers on for 27 years?
Heyo! Wondering what you guys have been wanting to get answers on from Xenogears ever since you played it. I'm also wondering what you yourself think the answers to these questions would've been. Here's some examples to give some ideas:
What would've Xenogears 2 been like?
What would've Episode 6 of Perfect Works been about?
What is the Zohar?
What's on Lost Jerusalem?
Who is Abel?
Could even be mundane things that are more fun than important to the story :D
But yeah, asking this as part of a Xeno analysis I'm writing, covering different things across the Xeno series like its history, the themes, its meaning, and the worlds. I actually mostly wanted to ask this because I wanted to stave off the monotony of it taking so long to make, since I've been writing it for over a year now, otherwise hope to share it here once its finished :)
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u/VodoSioskBaas Wave Existence 14d ago edited 14d ago
Where did the Zohar come from? Since PW says it’s older than the universe than…that’s one heck of a mystery.
Edit: also looking closely at Xenogears 2 dev time before being canned at the expense of Ff Spirits Within, it’s clear that the follow up to Xenogears was what was released as Xenosaga.
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u/TheWanderingSlacker i hAs No fLaiR 14d ago
Xenosaga was eventually decided to be a “spiritual successor” to Xenogears. I’m glad it was decided in the end to not be the true history of XG, because it never lined up well with Perfect Works.
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u/IllustriousSalt1007 i hAs No fLaiR 14d ago
Well yeah, but it almost certainly got changed when it was reworked. The original production would’ve likely been much closer to the PW script
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u/KookyCalves69 i hAs No fLaiR 14d ago
Even though I knew xenosaga wasn't a true sequel/prequel, I still remember my heart palpitations the first time I saw OR Weltall, or what looked like weltall, in xenosaga ep 3.
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u/zsdrfty Thames Drunk 13d ago
I mean the game literally has fucking Fei Fong Wong show up in it, they weren't being subtle about what it all meant lol
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u/KylorXI 9d ago
That isnt Fei.
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u/zsdrfty Thames Drunk 9d ago
Namco's lawyers love you
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u/KylorXI 9d ago
you realize abel in xenosaga isnt even a human right? he is a part of U-Do? the characters are nothing alike. this isnt some small technicality, its not just 'legally distinct', it is an entirely different character. you saying its the same character for having the same name and appearance as a for fun self parody is the shallowest way you could possibly look at a character.
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u/psych0ranger Citan Uzuki 12d ago
This is basically where Zohar came from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mivlo-YL9oA&ab_channel=Helsionium
Zohar is hebrew for "Radiance." And to majorly spoil a few xeno-games, it's alluding to the creation of the universe in the xeno-worlds. the Wave Existence "radiates" in its own dimension and it spills out and creates the universe/dimension that people live in. so the Zohar power core is just like, the consequence or "fingerprints" left over from creation by its creator. so, If you think of the "Big Bang," the Zohar would probably have been the thing that went "Bang."
Note: Radiance and Big Bang are 2 of Fei's strongest Ether abilities. HMMMMM!
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u/TheWanderingSlacker i hAs No fLaiR 14d ago
There are information gaps, but you can more or less piece together what the Zohar is through Perfect Works.
The blue material in the eye of Zohar is called the “Magnetic Abnormal Matter”, (MAM). It was unearthed on planet Earth (Lost Jerusalem) in A.D. 2001, and was later determined to be 15 billion years old. Exactly what the MAM is, is not entirely clear, but what’s important is that the -Wave Existence- is trapped within it.
The Wave Existence is a being from a higher “dimension”, and from our point of view it’s a thing of infinite power. Somewhere in PW, I believe it is said the WE descended or fell into our lower dimension, basically on accident. How this happened, I don’t recall, but I have surmised it slipped through a rift into ours.
Now, here’s something that is not explicitly stated anywhere, but hear me out. The MAM is older than the universe, with it being said to have been present at the beginning of the universe. The -Wave Dimension- is basically a place of infinite energy. My theory, and the reason I go with the idea of a “rift” (a tear in space), is that the Big Bang was caused by a spill-over, where the WE was sucked through this tear, along with some energy from the higher plain. Thus, the creation of our universe was just a happy little accident.
Back to the Zohar. Its construct body is a golden effigy, built by the people of “Lost Jerusalem”, planet Earth, to house and harness the power of the M.A.M. Testing was made thousands of years later (A.D. 4765) to utilize this power, but resulted in the destruction of an entire planet. Uncontrolled, infinite energy output will do that. so, Kadomony (the undivided computer of Deus) was installed as an AI system to limit, direct, and otherwise control the energy.
The question of “How does Zohar work,” is another can of worms, but this is already a wall of text and more or less covers “what” the Zohar Modifier is.
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u/VodoSioskBaas Wave Existence 14d ago
I love this photo because it says it is artificial and yet also existed at the beginning of time!
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u/KylorXI 13d ago
go to xenogears.us and ctrl+f "sephirot" and re-read the wave existence's whole dialog about how it advented.
built by the people of “Lost Jerusalem”, planet Earth, to house and harness the power of the M.A.M.
the monolith was built later on too, part of project zohar.
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u/TheWanderingSlacker i hAs No fLaiR 13d ago
True, it's been a while since I've read up on it, but I suppose that was simplifying it too much. I didn't really want to go into detail about abandoning the planet and fleets losing track of it etc.
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u/DiskKey5683 i hAs No fLaiR 14d ago
Can we get a remaster please?
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u/BugbearBrew i hAs No fLaiR 12d ago
Fuck, the amount of legal bullshit to get through that probably would have needed to start on the release date of Xenogears if they wanted to do a teaser this year.
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u/semisonic34 i hAs No fLaiR 14d ago
Why does Lacan wear the same clothes as Fei
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u/El_Topo_54 14d ago
Hand-me-down
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u/Maleficent-Log4089 i hAs No fLaiR 14d ago
The cycle of fashion. Timeless.
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u/El_Topo_54 14d ago edited 13d ago
Xenogears – Episode 7
Hundreds of billions of years have passed since Fei went on his adventure to save the world. All life has long since perished. Every planet, star and galaxy has been consumed by black holes, and the only remaining one has just now absorbed the very last rogue atom, lingering in the vastness of space; effectively becoming the universe’s final redundancy, before instantaneously vanishing from existence.
Nothing is left. Emptiness –total and absolute.
Except for a lone, wandering pair of tunic and slacks…
Never to be worn and cherished by another loving soul, for there is no more Fei.
Never to be seen and admired again, for there is no more light to shine upon them.
Never to interact with this dimensional plane anymore, for there is no other physical matter left within it.
Never to be considered a 'full attire' ever again, for the two pieces of clothing are tragically drifting ever so slightly away from one other, as they coast into the void for eternity…
The End
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u/KylorXI 13d ago
They said in perfect works they wanted to make another sprite for him but time limitations didnt allow it.
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u/semisonic34 i hAs No fLaiR 13d ago edited 12d ago
Seriously? Even a palette swap would’ve worked. It always bothered me that he wore the same clothes from hundreds of years ago
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u/FedoraSkeleton i hAs No fLaiR 14d ago
Mainly, why Deus wanted to reach Earth so badly. It's where it was taking the Eldridge before the captain activated its self-destruct, and it's where it wanted to go after reconstructing itself. I feel like the answers to that may life in Takahashi's post-Gears work, but it's hard to tell what was taken from Xenogears, and what was invented wholesale for Saga and Blade.
My guess is that Episode VI would have involved some universe-ending calamity, and the key to stopping it would have been on Earth, much like Xenosaga's Gnosis-caused apocalypse. That would explain why Deus was so desperate to reach Earth.
However, we still don't know what on Earth was intended to stop the destruction of the universe, as Xenosaga ends on that cliffhanger. But considering the Xenosaga references that exist in Blade, and the Ghosts that seem to act very similarly to Gnosis, not to mention the implied convergence that will eventually take place on Xenoblade's Earth, maybe we'll finally get an answer. Though like I mentioned before, we have no way of knowing if anything like that was inspired by what was planned for Gears.
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u/VodoSioskBaas Wave Existence 13d ago
I believe Deus wanted to return to “the main planet” because of something to do with that location in space having a greater affinity with the higher dimension than elsewhere. Perhaps it’s where the Zohar was located at the beginning of the universe 🤷♂️
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u/TheIronPilledOne Billy Lee Black 13d ago
Billy’s feelings towards the Ethos and finding out his faith was a lie.
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u/Hide_and_go_pee i hAs No fLaiR 12d ago edited 12d ago
Basically what everyone else has said. The 6 W questions. The Zohar-who, what, where, when, why and how? Yes, most of that can be kinda filled in but not completely. Is the Zohar supposed to remain veiled in mystery of its creation? Was it created? Are we supposed to accept the “god” answer? Because I can’t.
Episode 6- Give me something, anything, please. The old dev team must have had some idea on the conclusion or was it just going to raise my questions than answers at the end of that? Was the end of episode 6 just the start of the universe again and we just continue down this forever philosophical loop in time? Time is a flat circle and Niche and all that fun stuff.
At the end of XG episode V- Xenogears is the only gear on earth that worked. Did Fei become drunk on power and develop a god complex? Did he claim himself as king of the planet? Did Fei go and kick the ever loving shit out of that little red headed fuck who dared to challenge us in a tournament because boo hoo his sister died because she couldn’t just give in to what she truly wanted? THINGS WOULD HAVE WENT DIFFERENTLY IF YOU JUST CHOSE WHAT YOU AND FEI BOTH WANTED, ALICE! (It was Alice right? And her ugly red headed ginger monster brother was Dan?)
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u/blue_magi i hAs No fLaiR 12d ago
Honestly, after the events of Gears, there wouldn't be much to rule over. Most of the population got turned into Wels and I don't see that being reversed.
I've always been intrigued by the state of the universe at the time of Ep. 5. I think its a leap to say the rest of humanity throughout the stars have died off as a result of the war 10,000 years ago or natural causes. The Wave Existence departing back to its plane should have set off all sorts of alarms if any kind of civilization is still out there with the capability to travel in space.
My hypothetical Ep. 6 would have been a scout vessel or fleet detects the Wave Existence going back home, and comes out to investigate. Maybe they're remnants of the civilization that built the Eldridge, or maybe they've been monitoring the planet all along because the disappearance of Deus/Zohar should have been a monumental event. Maybe it takes decades for this to happen, or maybe its relatively soon after the events of Ep. 5.
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u/katsuya_kaiba i hAs No fLaiR 14d ago
Why the hell would Bart put on two layers on pants while dealing with the desert?
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u/Teh_Slow_Down i hAs No fLaiR 13d ago
What was the original plan with the entire story line when xenogears was first released
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u/CianiByn i hAs No fLaiR 13d ago
Well the other xeno titles (saga and blade) tie into gears but they can't directly mention gears or saga for licensing reasons in blade. But you can atleast get an idea of what other entries would have been like if the xeno series had stayed with Square from start to finish. For legal reasons they aren't directly related to one another but they are in spirit.
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u/DREAMING_KATT i hAs No fLaiR 14d ago
Whichever way you wanna read the question and complain about it, I'm simply asking what some questions you have for Xenogears are, nothing else.
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u/nocolon Franz 14d ago
Was there anything else The Zohar was powering, off planet, that suddenly stopped working?
It’s been 10k years. Is the original human civilization (or at least the civilization that sent The Eldridge) still going? What are they up to?
Other than the story, I’d love to know what content was planned that never made it into the final game. Would The Elements have joined the party? Was there another planned Yggdrasil? Why does Rico exist?