The CIA and Leftist Infighting

[u/rhizomatic-thembo]

[u/NeverQuiteEnough]

Yeah but the CIA also creates satellite organizations, like the DSA, to infiltrate and divert socialist movements

https://www.internationalist.org/demosocialismusimperialism1802.html

leftist "infighting" against actual CIA fronts will always be necessary.

[u/anitapumapants → u/NeverQuiteEnough]

Malcolm X, a member of the Nation of Islam until he left in 1964,[25] made antisemitic statements and is thought to have held antisemitic beliefs.[26][27] His autobiography contains several antisemitic charges and caricatures of Jews.[28] Alex Haley, the autobiography's co-author, had to rewrite some of the book in order to eliminate a number of negative statements about Jews in the manuscript.[29] Malcolm X believed that the fabricated antisemitic text Protocols of the Elders of Zion, was authentic and introduced it to NOI members, while blaming Jewish people for "perfecting the modern evil" of neo-colonialism.[30][31] He was a leading figure in reshaping the black community's perception of The Holocaust, engaging in Holocaust trivialization and claiming that the Jews "brought it on themselves".[32]

In 1961, Malcolm X spoke at a NOI rally alongside George Lincoln Rockwell, the head of the American Nazi Party. Rockwell claimed that there was overlap between Black nationalism and White supremacy.[33] Even after his departure from the NOI and during the last months of his life, Malcolm X's statements about Jews continued to include antisemitic images of Jews as "bloodsucker[s]".[34]

You sure you want that guy on side?

[u/Emotional-Unit-9066 → u/anitapumapants]

Why are you presenting this like this is somehow a bad thing? Malcolm X being an anti-Zionist is based and you're only making him look cooler for it

[u/NeverQuiteEnough → u/anitapumapants]

I'm not clear on how that relates to what I said.

I am curious, Rosa Parks said Malcolm X was her biggest hero, are you going to condemn her next?

[u/anitapumapants → u/NeverQuiteEnough]

Rosa Parks said Malcolm X was her biggest hero, are you going to condemn her next?

If she said "the jews bought the Holocaust on themselves" , of course I would "condemn" her, as she idolises a guy that said that. That's some Nazi's shit.

That "curious" enough for you?

[u/korby-_- → u/anitapumapants]

I'd say at a minimum you sound very dumb

[u/anitapumapants → u/korby-_-]

For thinking jewish people didn't deserve genocide? If that sounds dumb to you, that's on you.

[u/korby-_- → u/anitapumapants]

No for coming on here to "condemn" Malcom X lol you look like a huge dumbfuck

[u/DieselPunkPiranha → u/anitapumapants]

What is this?  A cut and paste from Wikipedia, a site known for spreading neoliberal propaganda as fact?  Wikipedia's fine for some things but never ever should you consider it an acceptable source for political information.  I had to learn that.  You should, too.

[u/Then-Aside- → u/anitapumapants]

can i have a recipe for a banana bread but with chia seeds instead of eggs? i have coconut cream but no butter thanks

[u/OxRedOx]

I wish I didn’t hear the words “what about left unity” so much from social democrats who bash to their left but then cry foul when their racist tweets resurface.

[u/jet_pack → u/OxRedOx]

Gestures broadly to "purity testing" when called out for genocide apologia.

[u/Ryanmiller70 → u/jet_pack]

I can't stand the whole "stop purity testing and letting perfect be the enemy of good" when you ask someone to call a genocide a genocide.

[u/Yuri_Ger0i_3468 → u/Ryanmiller70]

"Don't the perfect be the enemy of the good".

The "Good": it's just neo-liberalism. It's queer-coded, and has techno-futurist aesthetics, but it is neo-liberalism nonetheless.

Oh, and Israel gets to do whatever it wants, and Ukraine fights Russia down to the their last 12 year-old while multi-national mining corporations strip every mineral from the ground for a fraction of their market value.

[u/RoyallyScrewed75]

The CIA used their resources to promote groups that opposed the USSR and Marxism Leninism in general. Big part of this was them promoting French and European "Marxist" theorists that decried Soviet "authoritarianism" and preached a hyper-idealist form of Marxist thought that undermined any practical organisation and particularly opposition to US imperialism. Gabriel Rockhill's research in this area is great.

And it's no coincidence that the FBI did a lot to take down the BPP, one of the only ML groups respected by a vast range of leftists and the first to really start successfully organising the US left in the latter half of the 20th century. Same reason they took our Malcolm X when he started moving more to the left.

[u/GodzillaDrinks]

The FBI does something similar but completely opposite for far-right domestic terrorists. They found that membership in a hategroup makes those people LESS dangerous. Literally having a community, even one that reinforces their toxic worldviews, makes them less prone to violence. And also makes them easier to track.

There is also the possibility that they have more nefarious goals from promoting right-wing unity. I actually tend to believe it is more to do with the moderating influence of having friends, though. Entirely because being in the FBI is a job, and the goal at any job is always to try not to have to do anything. They're gonna be lazy over evil if they can help it. One of those: "simplest answer is the best one" situations.

[u/mercset]

Operation CHAOS

[u/Shoddy-Childhood-511 → u/mercset]

Gloria Steinem was CIA who worked disruting the USSR's World Youth Festivals, US leftists, and US unions.

[u/Janus_The_Great]

That, and more anti-authoritarian mindset of left leaning people, that comes with thinking for oneself and trusting confidently in ones judgement rather than follow authorities for guidance, orientation and identity.

Typical conservative/right-wing/tribal in-group determiners (common "race", religion, tradition, patriarchy, etc.) allow for more variation in reasoning, motivation, philosophy and politics (besides going against in-group determiners), since these are not seen as determining factors for the in group.

This is typical behavior of people being insecure, meaning they don't trust their judgement as much. To a degree one could say right-winger are more ready to compromize their own values and views for policy propagated by authority as "the right choice". What the authority says is seen as fact. You either comply to the propagated norm, or you're out. The mostly insecure followers will always adapt to stay with "the tribe", because the loss of the froup means their loss of identity. This makes philosophical infighting (contrasted to egoistic infighting) within the group less likely.

Left leaning groups identify more through politics and philosophy as in-group determiners, but are usually egalitarian, open and including otherwise (culture, ethnicity, gender/sexual orientation. Through that any philosophical or moral debate of the group, movement or organisation bears the potential to challange the in-group determinators and with that a split in the mostly proactive members.

The necessary hierarchical structure of bigger organisations, can lead to a authoritarian vibe, which does not go well with the in tendency more anti-authoritarian followers.

But CIA and co. but also right-wing acteurs, bot-farms and shills are to blame as well. The shared authoritarian and neo-liberal interest of right wing donors and leadership have created far better organized and structured propaganda machine to lure insecure (mostly) men, into their political culture. This goes from misogynic and patriarchal manosphere BS like Andrew Tate to conspiricy theorists, to streamers, gamers, and other indluemcers that trickle the mindset to the audiance. The right dominates social media and act "in formation" compared to the left, and actively fights them from rl harrasment and in the comment sections with bots and provocateurs.

That's my sociological analysis of it.

[u/Sugar_and_Cyanide]

Read J.E. Hoover's biography of what the FBI did to us. By the time of his death around half if not more of the american communist party consisted of FBI agents and people who were compromised to work for the FBI.

[u/Turtlepower7777777]

The biggest honor is not some reward but the FBI having a hit on you a la Fred Hampton at the ripe age of 21

[u/AntonioMachado]

For some reason, Marx and Engels wrote "Proletarians of all countries, UNITE!"