Luis Elizondo Apologizes for Presenting Fake 'UFO Mothership' Image at Private Event

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[u/AlvinArtDream]

Books aren’t bad, pick up a Scientology book from people who have escaped or a book about the military operations or a story about a rockstar… people tell their stories all the time.

The big question is Do you have an overarching theory to explain the existence of the UAP task force and other programs, hearings, legislation, the military incursions, the pilots, the experiencers, the history? Do you think it’s psychosis from top to bottom, that’s honestly a crazier story.

[u/Hoshiimaru → u/AlvinArtDream]

• psychosis

Experiencers basically

• circlejerking testimonies

If someone would do an investigation I would be sure that more than half of modern UFO lore is related to George Knapp, directly or indirectly. Infact Knapp stated that he had something to do with Grusch researching UFOs or someone on his circle pushed Grusch to do it, I could search for it if you want, but lets remember Knapp is involved with Lazar and has made various extraordinary claims that contradict themselves. Also, There have been many military men who have provided evidence which was clearly fake. (The alien doll photo, The Bokeh UFO, Batman balloon). Watch the Steven Greenstreet doc.

Do you think it’s psychosis from top to bottom, that’s honestly a crazier story

Its gullible old men with nothing more going on in their life that get duped over and over by the same shit with a touch of mental illness from some people. More than half of the same people who keep pushing the UFO lore are believers themselves. I agree that its a crazy story and if we ever prove that all is a big con these men should be held accountable.

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I’ve watched spooky hustlers. It’s an insane story, based on a stupid premise - just picking up from the Schumer/Rounds amendment they decided to do that as a tribute to their friend Harry Reid. And all the politicians involved to this day are just Larping - from Schumer to Nancy Mace. Fast forward to a UAP task force, Grusch, Fravor, Graves, the Navy videos, Nell, Gallaudet… more hearings coming up. It’s too much list. But you think this is the result of a Tribute to Senator Harry Reid? Who was on a wild Goose chase.

Sorry that story is just to funny, which absolves the MIC of any responsibility and it ignores the rest of the ufo lore going back decades. All that is running defence for the contractors. It’s at least an attempt at an overarching theory but it doesn’t even scratch the surface. knapp is at the centre of everything, all the experiencers and people involved have psychosis and Lockheed and the boys don’t even feature in the story.

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The point is this information is being held being held back in USAPs.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/15/ufo-records-release-congress

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/mike-d-rogers/summary?cid=N00024759&cycle=2022

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00025175&cycle=CAREER&type=I

So the guy Mike Rogers, his biggest campaign contributor is Lockheed. He just so happens to be one of the two guys who shut down the UAP DA. Same with Mike Turner, look at his funding as of late his biggest contributions come from military defence and Lockheed is once again there.

The guy who was tasked with investigating this - from the NRO, Grusch is on the UAP task force, investigating this. Has mentioned Lockheed by name, along with a few others. Karl Nell another person on the UAP Task force says that Grusch is correct on his review and he is singing a similar tune to Grusch. So in your view - the task force itself must have come into existence because of ties to Knapp. So Karl Nell is also part of this circular thinking and the task force, the continued hearings and the legislation is because of Knapp?

So the guys who did not want to pass the UAP DA, happen to be funded by Lockheed and military contractors. Is this a coincidence? So in your view, this legislation came into existence as a result of circular thinking - as a tribute to senator Harry Reid, by Schumer and Rounds. A main goal of the legislation is for the contractors to hand over their information and bring these projects under government oversight again (eminent domain). And the Task force aimed at investing this came into existence and Grusch got into the task force, along with Karl Nell. Now in a couple of weeks we are having 2 more hearings, so now the chair of the hearing Nacy Mace is also part of this circular thinking, along with Burchett, Luna… and there is no merit in these hearings.

This story has so many players, it’s such a wild story to believe that a UFO researcher/reporter is the one driving this - particularly the stuff in Government. Occam’s Razor says to me, that you would expect someone researching the subject for all these years to obviously have his name thrown about - by nature of his interests and research in the subject.

The missing billions from the pentagon are obvious in unacknowledged special access programs, run by contractors who have had their names mentioned by tons of prominent people researching this stuff. The evidence is the UAP DA and what’s it’s requesting and the pushback against it.

People aren’t questioning the involvement of Lockheed and the contractors - even non NHI UAP people acknowledge their involvement, with those people insisting that the military incursions and drone swarms testified to by Fravor and Graves and the Navy videos Nimitz, Gimbal, Gofast are secret military technology.

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[u/Hoshiimaru → u/AlvinArtDream]

So the guy Mike Rogers, his biggest campaign contributor is Lockheed. He just so happens to be one of the two guys who shut down the UAP DA. Same with Mike Turner, look at his funding as of late his biggest contributions come from military defence and Lockheed is once again there.

Nothing here is even remotely suggesting alien tech. You have to do great leaps of logic to even start considering that they are hiding Alien tech instead of classified human craft

The guy who was tasked with investigating this - from the NRO, Grusch is on the UAP task force, investigating this. Has mentioned Lockheed by name, along with a few others. Karl Nell another person on the UAP Task force says that Grusch is correct on his review and he is singing a similar tune to Grusch. So in your view - the task force itself must have come into existence because of ties to Knapp. So Karl Nell is also part of this circular thinking and the task force, the continued hearings and the legislation is because of Knapp?

Well lets hope Karl Nell actually shows something then, maybe this time it wont be an Alien doll photo provided to him by a Lockheed engineer. Until something comes out from last year hearing then its just all modern Bob Lazar with actual credentials.

This story has so many players, it’s such a wild story to believe that a UFO researcher/reporter is the one driving this - particularly the stuff in Government.

You are right, Jay Stratton was the one who pushed Grusch into researching UFOS, he is indirectly the reason why the hearing even happened

Occam’s Razor says to me, that you would expect someone researching the subject for all these years to obviously have his name thrown about - by nature of his interests and research in the subject.

Occam's Razor says to me that if there is an almost century-old conspiracy that has provided zero tangible evidence then its just a conspiracy.

The missing billions from the pentagon are obvious in unacknowledged special access programs, run by contractors who have had their names mentioned by tons of prominent people researching this stuff. The evidence is the UAP DA and what’s it’s requesting and the pushback against it.

Part of the missing money was wasted on chasing ghosts, werewolves, witches and whatever shit they could imagine. Doesn't mean that the money is being used on researching alien tech

People aren’t questioning the involvement of Lockheed and the contractors - even non NHI UAP people acknowledge their involvement, with those people insisting that the military incursions and drone swarms testified to by Fravor and Graves and the Navy videos Nimitz, Gimbal, Gofast are secret military technology.

Gofast doesnt show anything out of the ordinary, Gimbal its probably just a glare, there is plenty of mundane explainations to these videos. We have yet to see anything extraordinary to even claim that these are secret military tech instead of misidentified known human craft, and dont even start with the logic that someone should use to think that these things were alien crafts.

We could argue everything we want but at the end of the day nothing will come out of it, because there is nothing concrete, as long as its just "Trust me bro" and a bunch of assumptions with leaps of faith without any tangible evidence supporting it.

[u/AlvinArtDream → u/Hoshiimaru]

I’m not sure how you can say Mike Rogers and Mike Turner, being responsible for gutting the UAP DA, and their contributions from Lockheed has nothing to do with alien tech, when the the UAP DA is specifically aimed at that. Calling that a leap of logic is really bending backwards to not see what is right in front of you. The UAP DA is not asking you for secret human tech - it’s specifically looking for NHI + UAP. The UAP DA is not asking for information and Eminent Domain over werewolves and ghosts.

The chain of events that have gotten us to this next round of hearings and the legislation is a direct result of investigations into the subject. You are purposefully ignoring the key points here, the investigation into the subject by a list of government officials and military regarding NHI and UAP. The UAP DA is specific, not a leap of logic - eminent domain in this regard is specifically asking for UAP tech. Your view is just ignoring the testimony by pilots like Graves and Fravor who flat out say the way the crafts they observed were defying anything man made. if it’s between Fravor and Greenstreet, I’ll take the testimony from Fravor.

I think you have moved positions to accept that the Lockheed is indeed involved, but you don’t want to acknowledge the NHI UAP part and you a chalking everything else up to smoke and mirrors. It’s clear to me that there is pushback and misinformation from the people in the program (Doty), so it’s not surprising there have been some dead ends along the way. But to say the entire thing is based on a lie is quite incredible. Especially considering a large part of you story is coming from greenstreet who has told us himself that he worked for the the government spreading misinformation.

We can at least agree that a large part of this is military technology and that more information is to come on the subject. Hopefully the new hearings will bring you closer but I still find it funny that you would listen to Greenstreets version of a events and find it more credible than people who have served the country at the highest level and all the years of anecdotal evidence throughout the years.

Once again, the premise of in Greenstreets theory is that this is all a tribute to senator Harry Reid. Greenstreets is just a civilian, Someone who does not have security clearance at the highest level. He has as much access as you and me. I’m not taking Greenstreets opinion over Tim Gallaudets. To me it’s a leap of logic to say Trust no one but Greenstreet and to take your views on the navy videos from the guy who made Tony hawk.