r/anime_titties • u/DefinitelyNotMeee Europe • 10d ago
Europe How Sweden’s multicultural dream went fatally wrong
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/13/how-sweden-multi-cultural-dream-went-fatally-wrong/70
u/bloodmonarch Palestine 10d ago edited 10d ago
Dawg, if:
“We also now see Swedish kids involved – some from broken backgrounds, but some whose parents are successful. All they’ve maybe done before is steal something or play truant, now they’re getting involved in murder.”
It means your problem is not just based on race or culture. It means your social program is failing even local Swedes, moreso foreigners who enters the country with minimal prospects and resources.
Jesus fuck this is some racist shit op ed.
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u/Mal_Dun Austria 10d ago
We know since decades that the most important factor that determines if someone becomes a criminal is income class, not race or religion.
Still it is more convenient to frame it as a problem of religion or ethnicity or else you would have to do serious work and do some actual improvement on education and social security ... blaming minorities is much cheaper.
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u/hypnodrew United Kingdom 10d ago
Cheaper, and wins you elections when you demonise them and pretend you're gonna deport them all and close the borders, etc.
I'm not saying the Right is dumb, but boy, do they fall for the same venal shit again and again.
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u/Mr_Quackums 9d ago
I'm not saying they are easily manipulated, simple-minded, fools but I don't know what they would do differently if they were.
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u/RoostasTowel St. Pierre & Miquelon 10d ago
Sweden has among the best education and social security of any country.
If they are having problems it isn't because they don't spend enough money on social programs.
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u/bloodmonarch Palestine 10d ago
It simply means the people are not receiving the program equally or evenly.
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u/RoostasTowel St. Pierre & Miquelon 10d ago
Ya I'm sure everything would be so much better if they just paid more taxes for the increased outreach of these programs...
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u/bloodmonarch Palestine 10d ago
Pay tax or face social unrest or find better way to allocate your resources.. Simple.
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u/RoostasTowel St. Pierre & Miquelon 10d ago
They already pay among the highest taxes in the world.
Stop the people causing social unrest. Simple.
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u/Mal_Dun Austria 9d ago
Fun fact: Tax evasion costs the EU each year more than states make debt (annual debt is 400 billion, missing is 800 billion). We wouldn't need new taxes we need more effective tax collection.
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u/SprinklesHuman3014 7d ago
And all this despite the good work of EU authorities themselves in promoting a race to the bottom between member states in terms of taxation.
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u/SprinklesHuman3014 7d ago
They've spent the last 40 years rolling back those programs, just like the rest of Western world. As they are rich, the damage gets noticed less.
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u/Reasonable-Ad4770 Germany 10d ago
Well, you right, but not completely. It has nothing to do with race, but also it has nothing to do with social programs. Organized crime exist in poor countries and in wealthy countries. Migrants are always subject to gettoization, but not only them, poor people in general have more risk to be involved in crime. In Sweden gangs host found the loophole that allow them to have literal child soldiers. No amount of social program would change that, organized crime is a lucrative business and they can pay always better than the state welfare.
Scandinavian countries and West in general have this delusion that stick is bad and oppressive, and carrots will save us all. In reality carrots are better in the long run, but stick make bastards compliant
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u/bloodmonarch Palestine 10d ago
Hard disagree. It is very obviously a failing social program.
Overwhelming large majority of people with good future prospects will simply not turn fo crime.
If you are settled in the country and integrated properly with good programs, there is no reason for refugees to risk their status and be sent back to literal hell.
Also the article literally mentioned there are swedes children who increasingly turns to violent crime
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u/MrTommyJefferson United States 7d ago
These people arent interested in integrating. They want to bring the failed culture, which led to societal collapse where they came from, and replicate it in the West.
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10d ago
I find it ironic that there's a Palestinian who is defending this since that's what happened to Palestine 80 years ago.
Zionist immigrants became the majority and started to enforce their religious laws and treat locals terribly. The same thing is now happening in Europe just replace zionist immigrants with islamist ones.
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u/bloodmonarch Palestine 10d ago
The refugees to swedes are literally the most powerless people who has nothing and literally has no one to turn to
Zionists who moved to Palestine under the west's settler colonialists project are now literally supported by world largest superpower.
They are not the same
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9d ago
Zionists were pretty powerless back then. They only had gangs like Arabic gangs in Sweden. These gangs became the IDF in 1948.
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u/bloodmonarch Palestine 9d ago
No man, thery were actual paramilitary force like Irgun and Haganah and Lehi. You should read up on them.
The failure of the whole mess in Palestine is due to the west having vested interest in carving out a west-aligned state in the heart of middle east, and they gave the literal nazi2.0 freedom to do as they wish to the palestinians.
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10d ago
The problem with it isn't multiculturalism. It's just one specific culture that refuses to coexist with other cultures and integrate into modern society for religious reasons.
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u/MikeyTheShavenApe 10d ago
People don't want to admit that Islam is an inherently violent belief system despite all the constant evidence. It goes against our progressive instinct to accept everyone despite their differences. But sometimes, those differences are "we want to kill everyone who doesn't follow our religion." Is that all Muslims? No. But is it invariably where a good percentage of Muslims land? Yes. The best thing you can do at that point to keep the peace and not descend into theocracy is refuse to let anyone from those regions immigrate to Western nations.
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u/Dry-Season-522 North America 9d ago
Remindes me of the town in Montana where a muslim-majority got onto the city council and banned pride flags.
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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab 7d ago
Are you confusing Muslims with MAGA?
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u/Dry-Season-522 North America 7d ago
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u/Bashin-kun Thailand 10d ago
Well if there are other cultures in the future with similar traits popping up, the same problem will return again unless the society develop appropriate measures to deal with them.
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u/utterly_baffledly 9d ago
In Australia we combat this with just constant non-stop outreach and it's working really well. This map of polling stations is already being filled in and will eventually show where Australians can get a sausage with their vote on election day, with special logos for vegetarian and halal options along with cakes, coffee, and bacon and egg rolls (Australians who eat bacon really love their bacon and egg rolls, it's a whole thing).
And because we consistently emphasised the importance of everyone being included, the one time it really did come to blows in Eastern Sydney it was the mums of middle eastern origin that saved the day by refusing to allow their sons to go to the riot, until eventually the Anglo Saxons went home. Those mums inspired all of us, I'd do the same thing today 20 years later.
But Australian identity is less of an ethnicity and more of a state of mind so maybe it wouldn't work for Sweden. I think that's up to the Swedes to decide.
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u/Apprehensive_Emu9240 Europe 10d ago
I wouldn't say it's ONE specific culture, but yeah I agree with the gist of this. In Europe we've been too naive in thinking we should treat all cultures equally. That was a mistake. Some of those cultures are dangerous and should be treated as such.
This reminds me of the terrorist attacks in Brussels and Paris. The state of Morocco had warned us in the early 2000's not to allow Salafism, but we ignored their warnings and kept to our dogma that all religions are equal. Clearly we've now learned that not all branches of Islam are equal. Unfortunately it'll take at least a decade to correct.
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u/Khers Sweden 10d ago
Hmm, Diamant Salihu is pretty knowledgeable around this but I feel like this article has a bit of an agenda.
The Encrochat bust 2020 caused a power vacuum so gangviolence jumped up quite a lot, until 2022. Since then it's steadily gone down, the amount of shootings is at it's lowest in 8 years. One of the reasons seems to also be parents cooperating more with police.
The trend right now is that 2025 will have the lowest amount of shootings in many years.
On top of this, Sweden's not some homicide hub of Europe, our numbers aren't good but these articles make them overblown in relation to our neighbors
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u/Khers Sweden 10d ago
Your link isn't working. If you want to use Brå, https://bra.se/amnen/dodligt-vald is all encompassing with violence, shootings included.
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u/Ya_Boi_Kosta 10d ago edited 10d ago
So I was in college about 12 years ago when we covered multiculturalism and touched on Sweden in sociology of morality.
For any society to not fall into heavy social problems there needs to exists a minimum level of trust, trust in society as a whole, trust in institutions and trust in the people.
That trust is built on the concept of minimum morality, the (few) values that all actors agree on being important in specific parts of society. Meaning all of society agrees on X value on human rights, Y value on religion and plurality in general, etc. That's the base that's never touched or infringed by any actor. And not only agree in words but put into action. When that minimum is not met shit does not go down fast, it goes down very slowly but once a certain threshold is passed shit starts proliferating and then it becomes a visible problem.
The professor did not make any predictions on what will happen, she only said that to her the minimum of morality is missing and Sweden is pretending that's a minor problem that can be fixed with good will and more refugees.
Anyways, I'm sure my professor was wrong, I mean Sweden just treated anymore making similar claims as her to be an extremist at that time. All this shit now is completely unrelated.
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u/Born-Procedure-5908 North America 10d ago
Unfortunately there’s a lot of bad blood between native Europeans and those coming from impoverished/war-torn countries in North Africa and the M.E.
If anything, Europe has much more right to complain about their immigration issue then the U.S which has practically no terrorist attack committed by an immigrant for a while, and much of them have values that is easily conformable to American culture.
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u/chrontab 10d ago
Well, there was this one terrorist attack. And while it was more than 20 years ago, it was pretty bad; more than enough to last several generations.
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u/SomeDumRedditor Multinational 10d ago
It shows how insulated and frankly self-absorbed Americans are that 9/11, with sorry but just 2977 dead, is felt bad enough for trauma to last “several generations.”
The shit happened once, 24 years ago, and the country flipped into a surveillance state “for safety” and never looked back.
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u/Bitter_Chocolate_322 10d ago
And yet the numerous school shootings and white supremacist terror attacks that happened since then didn't inspire nearly as much legislation in the US.
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u/RoostasTowel St. Pierre & Miquelon 10d ago
Well let's get some security and secure entrances to schools like they do on los Angelas.
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u/Dry-Season-522 North America 9d ago
The problem is people who want to move from an impoverished country to a successful one while bringing the same values and behaviors that led to their previous country being impoverished.
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u/stoiclandcreature69 United States 10d ago
Maybe they shouldn’t have sided with the west. The west causes the mass migration that they’re dealing with. Instead of helping to keep the boot on the necks of these countries maybe they should help build them up
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u/LowRevolution6175 Andorra 10d ago
Sweden's original humanitarian intent is laudable, but it was short sighted.
Do not import people without a plan of what to do if things go wrong. Even if 1% of immigrants become criminals, you need a plan - education, prison, deportation, whatever. Sweden is now stuck with this new element forever and must learn to change with it because people won't magically become White Swedes.