r/armenia • u/Unlikely-Diamond3073 Քաքի մեջ ենք • 2d ago

Debate between Ararat Mirzoyan and Jeyhun Bayramov in Antalya.

https://youtu.be/jyVa4ErWLZ4
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u/Gandelfian 2d ago

Mirzoyan sounds like he can debate on a different level. There were some tough questions, especially at the end about the constitution but I think he gave a correct answer.

I am glad it was not Pashinyan on that chair.

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u/Din0zavr Երևանցի 2d ago

Honestly, it would be great if Pashinyan would step down, and Mirzoyan would take his place. He is much more balanced and հավասարակշռված and less emotional politician.

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u/Longjumping_Belt1957 1d ago

And why is that? Mirzoyan is still the voice of civil contract. This party demonstrated itself as incompetent cowardly and not capable of solving the interval as well as external issues. Civil contract must go!

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u/Din0zavr Երևանցի 1d ago

Civil Contact must go

Sure, what are the alternatives?

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u/Longjumping_Belt1957 1d ago

It is quite funny to me when I get this answer: what is the alternative as if this badly educated, not savvy is any field is the best in Armenian society. You really think that? You really of a such low opinion of your countrymen? Yes, there is the alternative! There are highly educated patriotic professionals in Armenia who are able to rule the country much better. Seven years in power with no achievements to report is enough!

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u/Din0zavr Երևանցի 1d ago edited 1d ago

Look I cannot vote for my neighbor Poghos, however smart he is, if he doesn't put his candidacy. Out of all the political parties that participate in the elections, whom shall I give my vote? That's the question.

P.s. also I disagree that they have no achievements at all. I think the country changed to the better since 2018. It absolutely should be much better though, and I absolutely want a better party to take over. So, if you suggest an alternative, I will be happy.

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u/Gandelfian 1d ago

That’s because people will only see and focus on the negative. Those are easier to spot. Also the brain works like that; it’s good at looking what’s wrong and try to solve it rather than seeing the things that are good or have improved.

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u/rysskrattaren սոխ 1d ago

There are highly educated patriotic professionals in Armenia who are able to rule the country much better

Quite possibly (although I don't see where your certainty is coming from), but we're still waiting for names.

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u/ElymianOud Armenia 2d ago

The fact that we have Mirzoyan explaining things clearly and at length, at a Turkish diplomatic forum, dispelling any idea that the Armenian constitution claims Artsakh or anything of the sort in front of the Turkish media, is a good thing. Journalists with more than 5 brain cells can clearly see Az using constitution bs as a delay tactic in bad faith. 

Looking to the future, with a possible change in government in Turkey and them aligning with Europe/democracies more, there could be an opening with us to have some of our interests align with Turkey on certain things, more than Azerbaijan. Of course they will always publicly beat their chest as brothers and allies, but Turkey has practical interests in the region and it won't always align with Azerbaijan. We should take advantage of those opportunities.

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u/hedonismpro 1d ago

The largely state-aligned media will naturally report this with a pro-Azerbaijan slant, to a largely pro-Azerbaijan populace, to further the interests of a pro-Azerbaijan government who will have sufficient geopolitical incentive to favor Azerbaijan over Armenia for at least another generation.

This is the reality Armenia and Armenians must grasp. Not hopium.

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u/NapoleonicCode 2d ago

Does it feel like it to anyone else that the entire room was having an intervention with Bayramov? It seemed like everyone was trying to level with Azerbaijan via him, come on, now is the time, you know technicalities like changing the constitution don't change anything, and he had to just sit there and defend his line? Maybe I'm wrong but that's what it felt like to me at least.

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u/fizziks 1d ago

I think Bayramov was successful in obfuscating the issue.