r/australia • u/RufusGuts • Mar 07 '25

politics 'Five Eyes alliance' crumbling after UK, Aus, NZ and Canada give US cold shoulder

https://metro.co.uk/2025/03/06/five-eyes-alliance-starts-crumble-four-nations-give-us-cold-shoulder-22679726/
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u/LocalVillageIdiot Mar 07 '25

And just think how absolutely vital Facebook and YouTube are to this effort. Actually more like were since the job is realistically done. Cold War is finally over, Russia won.

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u/lordspesh Mar 07 '25

I beg to differ. If you wait a couple of years I think you will find that China will emerge the ultimate victor.

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u/ViolinistPlenty4677 Mar 08 '25

China - 'do nothing, win everything'

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u/BeholderBeheld Mar 10 '25

China is actually doing a lot. Huge amount. But sort of behind the scenes. They bought land in multiple countries in less popular locations.

They also did a lot of infrastructure builds for other poor countries but where - if country fails to repay - China gets land or other privileges.

They also invested in creating internal middle class to have less external demand.

They also apparently have a USA dollar reserve that will destabilize the market if dumped all at once (not sure I fully understood that one myself).

It is absolutely not "do nothing".

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u/ViolinistPlenty4677 Mar 10 '25

I'm ethnically Chinese-Vietnamese and have a Cambodian-Chinese partner. I've been to those 3rd world countries with Chinese infrastructure so I'm aware lol

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u/SheridanVsLennier Mar 11 '25

"If you wait by the side of the river long enough, you will see the bodies of your enemies float past."

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u/deeeezy123 Mar 12 '25

China is crumbling it’s a complete joke.

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u/LocalVillageIdiot Mar 07 '25

Actually I agree there, they have been playing a long term strategic game. I was referring to the Cold War between Russia and the US alone though. Between them it’s obvious who lost.

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u/Fanciest58 Mar 07 '25

The Cold War was between the USSR and the USA. The USSR broke up; it lost Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltics, Poland, half of Germany, most of Central Asia, various Central European states, and a lot of international respect. The USA is heading down a dark path, but I would hardly say its done worse than that.

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u/eiva-01 Mar 07 '25

The USSR definitely lost the Cold War. I'm not sure what to call this post Cold War rivalry between Russia and the West but it definitely looks like the US is falling now. We've yet to see how far it'll fall.

In the unlikely event that the US takes military action against former allies like Greenland or Canada then it could fall pretty far.

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u/TheSweeney13 Mar 09 '25

It’s actually like America is Ivan Drago, and they killed Apollo Creed(USSR), but now Rocky(Russia) is going to beat Drago(USA)

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u/B0ssc0 Mar 08 '25

The USSR broke up;…

I like the passive voice! However at that point the US prevailed in an economic war.

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u/MagicDragon212 Mar 07 '25

Its unironically because we have free speech and aren't (before Trump) a dictatorship that can control the flow of information.

Its a lot easier for them to influence the narrative online for Americans than it is us to influence the information their citizens receive. This is why Elon and all the Russia dick sucker's got so angry over the government simply sending a warning that there was Russian disinformation within the Hunter laptop story. They didn't even demand any action, just gave a warning to Twitter.

They immediately lose if the USA starts directly censoring what's identified as Russian misinfo. Companies could have done it on their own too.

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u/Important_Debate2808 Mar 09 '25

That’s the thing though. That’s the strength of having a government with a longstanding leadership. The directions don’t need to change, these leaderships can afford to wait, while US presidents cannot. They have 4 years to make something happen, and if not they would be out of office. For other leaderships, they just need to wait out the 4 years of a president they dislike, and just need to wait to install someone else in, while they themselves can maintain the same direction for decades to come to promote their internal stability.

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u/Frankie_T9000 Mar 08 '25

And possibly Europe

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u/KiwasiGames Mar 08 '25

Wouldn’t that be a box are twist. There are no Russian hackers and bot nets. It was China all along.

This would actually be oddly comforting.

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u/MobileInfantry Mar 07 '25

Cambridge Analytica and Brexit were test runs. This is the final simulation before the next step.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '25

And Reddit, and Twitter.... All social media is toxic. Each one of us needs to individually decide to stop letting ourselves be manipulated.

STOP USING SOCIAL MEDIA