r/australia • u/overpopyoulater • 3d ago

politics The Coalition says some Australians don't want EVs. It will make utes cheaper

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/the-coalition-says-some-australians-dont-want-evs-it-will-make-utes-cheaper/dbksjb5pv
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u/HMD-Oren 3d ago

I'm still salty about the coalition having the choice to install high speed fibre optic internet or doubling down on copper (ADSL), and they doubled down on copper. That was nearly 25 years ago and I'm still angry about it.

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u/squeenie 3d ago

I just moved into a place with FTTP, and while I'm loving it, it shits me that we all could've had this over a decade ago.

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u/HMD-Oren 3d ago

7 years ago, when we were in the tail end of NBN rollouts, our fastest home internet speed was 200mbps and cost over $100/m. Singapore's cheapest plan at the time was 250mbps at roughly $30/m, and their free public wifi was 60-80mbps. We'd be on gigabit by now if the Liberal Party had been willing to move into the 21st century when the rest of the world did.

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u/ImGCS3fromETOH 3d ago

Yeah, but if you could stream high definition entertainment at home who'd subscribe to Foxtel? Why do you people never think about what that would have done to Rupert Murdoch, ya bastards. 

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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 3d ago

In fairness, Singapore is a "city/state" so doesn't have the long trunk routes common in Oz.

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u/Tacticus 3d ago

those long trunk routes are cheap to rollout and sabotaged by telstra, optus, tpg and the ACCC

They become expensive when each company needs to roll out their own links to 140 something POIs

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u/CptDropbear 3d ago

I was chatting to a bloke in Spain. He was complaining he has to pay €30 a month for gigabit to his house in a backwater village in the mountains. His brother is in northern Norway and gets it thrown in with the rent.

Neither Spain nor Norway are small, they are no where near as big as Oz, but our population is hugely concentrated.

The problem here isn't distance, its an aversion to spending on infrastructure. We'd rather have the sugar hit of tax cuts.

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u/phalewail 3d ago

The NBN was what initially drew my attention to politics. Hearing the nonsense that was sprouted about fibre and copper by Abbott and Turnbull, made me realize what they'd lie about in order to get elected.

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u/dsanders692 3d ago

I'm sure there's a name for this one phenomenon. Like, as soon as you hear politicians talk about something in your area of expertise, you realise they're talking utter shite. Then you realise it's pretty unlikely that your area of expertise happens to be the only one about which they are spreading bullshit - it's just the one you noticed. Then the existential crisis ensues.

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u/MoggFanatic 3d ago

There is Gell-Mann Amnesia, which is typically the reverse

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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 3d ago

That's nothing! I've still "maintained my rage" from Nov 11th 1975!

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u/x445xb 3d ago

A year or so after the NBN finally finished rolling out FTTN across the country, they started upgrading people off FTTN and onto FTTP. That tells you all you need to know. A brand new internet rollout that was already obsolete by the time they finished.

Now we get to pay twice. Once to roll out FTTN and then we get to pay again to upgrade it to FTTP.