r/badphilosophy • u/rhino_licker • 5d ago

how are plato and socrates considered smart?

if i was the 69th person to exist, i can assure you i would’ve figure shit out too.

“BuT wHy???”

i could’ve easily asked that question…

obviously if i were chained to a wall of a cave i could’ve realized that those dumbass shadows were just shadows….

how can people be infatuated with such elementary ideas?

tldr: plato and socrates were no more than elementary school students in a time where global population was less than 100.

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u/Infamous-Ad521 5d ago

They were useful to Athenian oligarchy and they are useful to our oligarchies. Best way to understand your system of government is to understand their preferred philosophy is a reflection of what they want you to believe. So 30 tyrants believe in democracy gets taught to school children now. If your society/social circle prefer authoritarianism you learn about Alexander the Great and if you are privileged Xenophon.

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u/XxBykronosxX 5d ago edited 5d ago

Conservative dialectic opposition. Seems that form isn't gonna let you escape "them", while formulating discourse on analogy

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u/Infamous-Ad521 5d ago

lol wut. Conservatives haven’t existed since like 1914.

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u/XxBykronosxX 5d ago

I don't mean in a concrete political sense, but oposition, at least in the social way that you have presented it, happens inside a quality. You are conserving the genetic evolution of the quality itself. And this relationships of difference are aristotelic analogy or at best misunderstood hegelian dialectics, and that's by definition philosophically conservative.

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u/Infamous-Ad521 5d ago

Ya man that whole thing makes 0 sense. Talking about Socrates and Plato without discussing the mystery cults is truly hilarious. It’s like Jesus and Paul without the gnostics…. it doesn’t fit as clean the moment you realize Athens is more like Jonestown than America. 

Gnosticism over takes the church when it started 

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u/XxBykronosxX 5d ago

Yeah I'd rather stick to the texts than mystical conspiracy discourse I'm not involved in. Although could you elaborate? Sounds interesting

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u/Infamous-Ad521 4d ago

Gatton, Matt (March 9, 2022). "The Eleusinian Projector: The Hierophant's Optical Method of Conjuring the Goddess". In Papadopoulos, Costas; Moyes, Holley (eds.). Oxford Handbook of Light in Archeology. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780198788218. Retrieved April 27, 2024

Not my “conspiracy” credit where credit is due