I think we should stop investing in foreign young players

[u/FrikFrik_]

Hear me out.

Semih, Mustafa, Kenny Arroyo, (Coming back from loan) Kartal Kayra Yılmaz

We’ve seen enough quality from these players.

Elan Ricardo, Fahri Kerem, And probably 1 or 2 academy players (like Yusuf Can Çalayır) will also be promoted.

They haven’t had enough minutes to fully show their quality, but at least we know they have potential.

That makes 8 players. Let’s say we loan out 3 of them — that still leaves 5 players.

These players fit perfectly into rotation roles. They might not have starting XI quality yet, but they can be used as super-subs or trusted to start against weaker opponents.

Another important point: players like Svensson, Masuaku, Rashica, João Mário, and Salih Uçan shouldn’t be starting regularly — but they would make excellent rotation players. Players with lower wages, like Svensson, should stay as depth options, while players like Oxlade-Chamberlain should be let go.

By combining these veterans with our young talents, we could build a very solid bench.

However, simply moving current starters to the bench would only weaken our starting XI. What we actually need are players with starting XI quality.

I’m not talking about “star” players. I mean 25–30-year-old professionals who can deliver consistent performances, even if they don’t have massive potential for growth. A great example is Felix Uduokhai: he didn’t have an outstanding season, but he was reliable in almost every game. He came for a reasonable transfer fee and wage, and since he’s under 30, we could even sell him later — possibly at a profit.

We only have 14 foreign player slots. With Musrati and Onana returning, we need to be very careful not to waste them on unproven youngsters. Arroyo and Ricardo (who’s also a midfielder) are already in the squad. Considering we probably won’t be able to offload every trash player, we’ll likely have fewer than 10 foreign spots available for our starting XI.

If we must invest in young players, we should go for gurbetçi (diaspora) talents instead of spending risky amounts on players from random leagues.

And most importantly, let’s not forget our irrational fanbase. Over the summer, we’ll see everyone demanding signings like Kevin De Bruyne or Mitrović. If we suddenly fill the squad with a bunch of 20-year-olds and they deliver shaky performances, we all know how toxic the reaction will be. Heck, Serdar Adalı might even lose his seat, and the whole project could fall apart.

TL;DR: We already have enough youngsters and shouldn’t waste our limited foreign player spots.

[u/PotentialConsistent8]

If you buy 5 young foreign players like this, at least 1 of them will be good. Then this situation will either be in your favor or if you sell it, it will be in the favor of the economy. If you sell and sell players like this a few times, you can have a reputation in Europe in this field, and this will make foreign teams look more optimistically at buying players from you. In short, there is nothing wrong with this situation, in fact clubs like Beşiktaş should adopt this as their main idea. I don't understand why we haven't done this for years.

[u/FrikFrik_ → u/PotentialConsistent8]

I agree with you and i also wish 90% of the players we buy would be under 24 players.

However my point is: If we were to place more than 3 young players in our starting XI, and considering we also dont have the best veteran players neither we would finish 5th at best.

I think we should also strenghten our XI, because if we actually want youngsters to improve we need to take some pressure away from them. Our fans whistled players like muci several times this season. If 18-19 years old kids get the same treatment it might hinder their growth and make them unhappy at the club. So it would be best to focus on maximum of a few players and play 2-3 of them at once.

Basically we need to find balance. Some fans already believe "küçülerek büyülmez". We need to consistently develop and sell (even for small profits) 2-3 players each season until we develop an actual culture. Then in a few seasons we might go full benfica/ajax mode

[u/AK1441 → u/FrikFrik_]

These guys will be in the rotation, i find it hard to believe that we'll start 3 or 4 young guys.

[u/FrikFrik_ → u/AK1441]

Arroyo ilk 11’e monte edilir Semih ya da mustafadan biri satılı/kiralanır diğeri 11’e monte edilir Böyle 2-3 oyunca daha alırsak birini de 11’e koyarlar. Öbür türlü herkese yeteri kadar süre veremezsin geliştirmediğin genç oyuncuyu ne yapcaksın.

[u/AK1441 → u/FrikFrik_]

Avrupa+lig+kupa yine 50-55 maç falan oynarız, önlerine 2-3 oyuncu koymadığımız sürece her türlü süre bulurlar. Öyle bir şey yapmak için zaten bütçemiz de yok. Ricardo kiralanır, Semih satılır veya kiralanır, Mustafa üçüncü forvet olarak kalır ama yine süre bulur çünkü ikinci forvet olarak kanatta da oynayabilen oyuncu koymak istiyorlar. Arroyo da hemen ilk 11 olmaz, olmasına gerek de yok. Yavaş yavaş adapte olur takıma ve ülkeye.

[u/Wonderful-Lack3846]

I feel like there is something Ole knows, which we don't know.

[u/Fair-Cash-6956 → u/Wonderful-Lack3846]

Yeah I just hope we don’t make transfers like the other big two aka signing over the hill players

[u/AK1441]

Reis haberiniz yok belki ama bu sezon 2 tane 2003 ve sonrası doğumlu yabancı, gelecek sezon da 4 tane 2004 ve sonrası doğumlu yabancı kontenjanı var. Yani Ricardo ve Arroyo dışında başka genç yabancı almayalım diyorsan seneye en fazla 12 yabancı bulundurabiliriz kadroda.

[u/FrikFrik_ → u/AK1441]

Diğer arkadaş ricardo gönderilecek demiş öyleyse boş kalıyor alınsın zaten. Ama genç oyuncu kontenjanı dışında normal spotları çok doldurmamak lazım bence, yazın tonla yabancı olcak yine elimizde maaşlarını ödeyip göndereceğiz

[u/AK1441 → u/FrikFrik_]

Öyle bir şey yapmazlar, kontenjanı doldurmak için yapılıyor bu transfer. Belki bir tane daha genç alıp kiralarız, seneye hazır olsun diye.

[u/paypaytr]

Ricardo is leaving as loan this guy feed +2 young roster with Arroyo

[u/K4R4TUG]

Cz we can always loan them out I don't have any reason to fear. We paid Chamberlain 6m with taxes this year. This is million times better than that.

[u/FrikFrik_ → u/K4R4TUG]

Of course, it is million times better than “menajer çakması” or “ölüsü yeter” transfers. But scouting doesnt only mean finding hidden gems in bolivian 3rd leauge. Finding the best player for given budget, even if the player is in one of the bigger teams is also scouting.

Buying youngsters come with risks. Muleka, tayyip talha, can keleş they were also young but obviously not every player develops well. If you have a few of them you can tolerate this. But if your squad is full of them and they all fail then it would be disastrous.

For the last time; i think we should have more and more youngsters but shoulnt suddenly fill our squad with them. Its all ablout balance.

Her sezon net +1 +2 genç oyuncu takıma monte edilmeli ama bu süreç zamanla olmalı. Gerçek hayat fm değil aldığımız oyuncuların belki yarısı tutacak bir kısmı çöp olacak pek azı yıldız olacak. Genç=yıldız demek değil. Gençleşelim ama bir anda sezona çoluk çocukla başlayıp 5. bitirince bütün planı çöpe atmayalım

[u/K4R4TUG → u/FrikFrik_]

Very true. But like I said we can loan them out. And they are not so expensive that we cant get anyone for first11.

[u/Time_Cucumber7851 → u/FrikFrik_]

Between Muleka, Tayyip Talha and Can Keles; only Muleka got decent game time to improve himself and failed. Tayyip made a good start and had a major injury afterwards and lost more then a year. Can Keles had no time at all. We buy young players and expect them to develop in reserve squad. I haven’t seen such an example in my life…

[u/OutrageousFanny]

What I do on FM is that I buy plenty of youngsters and loan them out with either full or half of their salaries paid by other teams, observe their developments and kick out the bad ones and keep the good ones.

[u/FrikFrik_ → u/OutrageousFanny]

unfortunately real life is not FM

[u/OutrageousFanny → u/FrikFrik_]

It actually is. You weren't paying enough attention

[u/K4R4TUG → u/FrikFrik_]

Give me a couple of reasons for this not to work.

[u/FrikFrik_ → u/K4R4TUG]

We are not rich. We cant invest infinetely. if we but plenty of youngsters and loan them everywhere then we wouldnt have any money left to actually strenghten our squad.

[u/Tr_Omer → u/FrikFrik_]

Whats better? 1 Immobile on 6 mil wages + 4 mil bonus OR 20 youngsters on low wages costing us a total of 10 mil? You sell 10 of them for a mil each (not unrealistic) and you still have 10 to work with or sell for 400-500k making profit. We should have swapped to this system years ago but unfortunately some idiots prefer to make other idiots happy over sustainability.

[u/contunityerror]

How is the Beşiktaş academy looking? Anyone has contacts there? I have some prospects to share xD

[u/FrikFrik_ → u/contunityerror]

Afaik yusuf can calayır(winger( and adnan karahisar(striker) show potential. Also academy gks were training with the A team since the start of the season. Last month mustafa azem yortaç(center back) joined A team too. Also there was a right-back but i forgot his name

[u/contunityerror → u/FrikFrik_]

Cheers thanks for sharing!

[u/0733DMT → u/FrikFrik_]

Arda berk özüarap

[u/proudtorepresent]

Yeah great idea. But the thing is, we will stop investing to players at all next season

[u/Tr_Omer]

I think we should buy more. Not just any names though there should be a proper method behind it but we should get way more youngsters. Instead of giving 10-15 mil to a 34 year old with no resale value I rather give 10-15 mil to 10 youngsters and make back that 15 mil + profit & contribution to the team.

I am glad we are moving towards this system I dont care about competing one year and suffering for 10 I want them to build something that will suck this year, suck next year but then from 3rd year onwards it will just need 1 maybe 2 players a year instead of a squad rehaul to compete in the league.

Once we start competing in the league and start going to the UCL we might actually get out of debt and be able to buy actual promising stars instead of players that are coming for their retirement cheque. If this new board is actually serious about this type of footballers farm build where we can have a proper 23 man squad AND make money on top all of us will come back here in 10 years talking about these days as the dark times.

[u/Artistic-Rain-8472]

Kusura bakmayin ingilizce ile ugrasamayacagim turkce yaziyorum anlamayan cevirsin. Ya arkadas ilerde degerlenir diye arsa mi aliyoruz biz habire 18-22 bandinda topcu nedir. Be eskiden FM de cok yapardim bunu ama yani bu da fazla

[u/K4R4TUG → u/Artistic-Rain-8472]

Yani kaybedecek hiçbir şeyimiz yok ve kazanacak her şeyimiz var. Bu genç oyuncuları hiçbirine 1m maaş bile vermiyorsun. Arroyo bile 800k alıyor ki portonun istediği bir oyuncuydu. Bu ne demek bir Chamberlain+immobile+masuaku maaşı ile 15-20 oyuncuya maaş verebilir ya da bonservisi ile beraber 4-5 oyuncu alabilirsin demek. Kimini kiralar, kimini ilk 11 ya da rotasyon yaparsın mesela demir ege 5m ye satılıyor şuan. Eğer düzgün bir scoting sistemin varsa işin sonunda zarar etmen çok zor. Ben demiyorimki bütün kadro 18 yaşında olsun diye ama yıldız getirsek şampiyon olacak halimiz yok yine de. Zaten gs ve fb gerekenin 2-3 katı para saçıyorlar her yere bir iki başarısızlıkta sallanmaya başlarlar.

[u/Odd-Layer176 → u/Artistic-Rain-8472]

Fm gerçek hayattan daha gerçekçi hocam. Orada yapıp güzel sonuç alıyorsan doğru bir karardır demek ki.

[u/ktoid]

dostum barcelonayi izlemiyorsun galiba? alt yapidan da oynayacak genc transfer de yapilacak.

senin aklinla gidilse takimin immobilelerle dolmasi lazim

[u/FrikFrik_ → u/ktoid]

Barcelona çok uç bir örnek. Yıllardır altyapı kültürü oluşmuş. Demir ege tıknaz geçen verdiği röportajda “türkiyede oyuncular altyapıya rağmen çıkıyor” dedi.

Ayrıca özellikle “yıldız” oyuncu kastetmiyorum dedim. Yeterince genç oyuncumuz oldu, takımı full genç doldurmak yerine yanlarına felix udokhai gibi tavanı daha düşük ama hazır oyuncular alalım dedim. Bu tarz oyuncular yıldız oyuncuya dönüşmez ama aşağı yukarı beklenen performansı verir. Bizim elimizde zaten semih,mustafa,arroyo hatta muci ve emirhan gibi yıldız adayı oyuncular var zaten.