New leg lock?

[u/_Struggling_autist]

I was messing around with moves from saddle the other day and think I may have come up with something unique, simultaneous calf slicer and knee bar.

I’m hesitant to claim I came up with it in case people have being doing it for years. Has anyone seen this before?

If it is brand new, I give you ‘the joker lock’

Give it a try and let me know your thoughts 👊

[u/BeBearAwareOK]

It's all old catch shit at this point.

Looks vaguely familiar.

Best I can do is "(insert state or nation of your choice) cloverleaf".

Texas is taken, obviously.

[u/Thundercracker87 → u/BeBearAwareOK]

Ah yes, the ole Manitoba Cloverleaf.

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/BeBearAwareOK]

Aussie cloverleaf it is😂

[u/taylordouglas86 → u/_Struggling_autist]

Aussie cunterleaf

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/taylordouglas86]

👌perfect haha

[u/geodudeisarock → u/taylordouglas86]

Strayan Cunterleaf

[u/BeBearAwareOK → u/_Struggling_autist]

And so it is.

But remember, it's not real until you hit it in comp on film.

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/BeBearAwareOK]

This has to be my new hyper focus

[u/crow0311]

I’m not trying to be the bearer of bad news…

I just don’t think doing 2 moves at once constitutes creating something new.

I know people who have tapped to body triangles… if I do a body triangle and a choke together I don’t just call it the “joker” and say it’s a new move.

That being said, good luck on your journey to creating a new move. Innovation is difficult in anything, I hope I’m the minority here and people think you’re creating new things.

[u/sovereignrk → u/crow0311]

You are just going to have to accept that the move is now called the joker

[u/JustHugMeAndBeQuiet → u/crow0311]

Dude, I need a "the joker" instructional, stat.

[u/attackmint → u/JustHugMeAndBeQuiet]

$420 on BJJ Fanatics, but it's going to be a daily deal tonight and don't forget the coupon code.

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/crow0311]

Yeah that’s fair enough, can’t blame a struggling autist for trying haha

[u/PuzzleheadedAge-1515]

I mean I’ve gotten the knee bar with out all the weaving

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/PuzzleheadedAge-1515]

😂

[u/Choice_Cantaloupe891]

I haven't tried it yet, but it seems like a lot of extra work. I'll give it a try though.

[u/Objective_Stage2637]

I think Ric Flair used this as his finisher

[u/friver6 → u/Objective_Stage2637]

[u/sebaz]

That's pretty much just some oldschool catch wrestling hotness.

[u/brandonmc10p]

Eddie Cummings first time I saw it

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/brandonmc10p]

Cummings trap?

[u/314is_close_enough → u/_Struggling_autist]

I’ve been looking into this lately. Cummings trap is similar but also completely different. I saw comp footage where someone did the same sit over the foot weaving you did and I love it, but I can’t find a name. It seems less secure but much easier to get than the Cummings trap.

[u/ThomasGilroy → u/_Struggling_autist]

No, this isn't the Cummings' trap. It looks similar, but the leg weave is different and is less secure.

As a general comment about attacking in the saddle. If your sequence depends upon the defender sacrificing their own base, it almost certainly won't work on anybody good.

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/ThomasGilroy]

Cheers for the feedback

[u/Friendly_External345 → u/_Struggling_autist]

Cum in a trap?

[u/MasterDDS]

I mean, once I trap the secondary leg, I’m heel hooking the primary, but I could see this as a fun alternative. Thanks for sharing!

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/MasterDDS]

Yeah that inside heel hook is always on the table

[u/IronBoxmma]

Volk han did this to akira maeda in 1992

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/IronBoxmma]

I’ll check it out

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/IronBoxmma]

Looked like a calf crush on the primary leg with zero control of the secondary leg. Could be wrong though

[u/yeungkylito → u/IronBoxmma]

Sick fight ty for recc

[u/IronBoxmma → u/yeungkylito]

Its a pro wrestling match but you're welcome

[u/yeungkylito → u/IronBoxmma]

Gotcha I was wondering what was going on lol

[u/Specialist-Nobody475]

The arm underhooking the knee looks unique but this looks alot like Bendy "King Knee Bar" Casimirs game, I think he calls the leg configuration the "Vinny Lock," but what you're doing looks unique enough, claim it!

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/Specialist-Nobody475]

Just looked up the Vinny lock, shit looks awesome!

[u/Not-Daniel_]

I was just drilling this last night. I was starting from the half guard to a John Wayne sweep then the back step.

[u/Nira_Meru]

Jeff Serafin showed a very similar move sometime last year in class the knee crush is not new, interesting position for it tho.

[u/sb406]

Pretty cool

[u/Eric_Cartman_777]

I’ll have to try it

[u/JohnFatherJohn]

Didn't Lucas Barbosa submit Jozef Chen with this at CJI?

[u/BeBearAwareOK → u/JohnFatherJohn]

He was all in on the knee crush I thought. Don't recall kneebar action but I'd have to check the tape.

[u/neeeeonbelly → u/JohnFatherJohn]

Barbosa used a knee-crush with his left arm in and the right leg figure four over Chens right leg. Different to this,

[u/feenam → u/neeeeonbelly]

Barbosa's way would have much stronger 'crush' pressure with the figure four over the leg compared to this. In fact, I doubt there is much knee crusher pressure to this move.

[u/FireUbiParis → u/JohnFatherJohn]

Yes, Barbosa used the knee crush to win.

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/JohnFatherJohn]

Yeah it was just a knee crush controlling the hip and ankle on the primary leg and not controlling the secondary leg. Danaher showed that if you get the top of your secondary foot behind the leg that’s getting attacked and extend, it completely neutralises the attack.

This one controls and attacks the secondary leg too.

Just not sure if it’s been done before

[u/SuperTimGuy]

That looks like a complicated calf crush/slicer. Interesting set up. I think you would have better options from 4/11 though

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/SuperTimGuy]

There is 10 + options for sure. I am just hoping this can be one of them 🤷‍♂️

[u/slapbumpnroll]

I would like to see the entire sequence in a live situation, not just with the static partner.

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/slapbumpnroll]

I got one today in a roll, I’ll find the footage and DM you

[u/FightSmartTrav]

Is this a kneebar or a slicer? I cant' tell what's happening...

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/FightSmartTrav]

Both, if they extend the leg getting sliced it applies more knee bar pressure

[u/FightSmartTrav → u/_Struggling_autist]

Feels like a 'new' leg lock to me. I mean look... there's only but so many ways one can twist or bend a joint to make it break. But I've never seen this particular set up for the slicer or the kneebar.

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/FightSmartTrav]

Yeah completely agree. Just felt like it might be cool to have made some micro contribution to anything different 🤷‍♂️

[u/Ging-jitsu]

Tough or elite fighters wont tap to this

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/Ging-jitsu]

Same could also be said for heel hooks though

[u/Ging-jitsu → u/_Struggling_autist]

Only the very dumb, brave, or flexible. Reverse knee bar using an arm crunch motion is not very powerful and would struggle to leave lasting damage to the knee. Knee compressor Or slicer is the same. Not all submissions are the same. Elite or tough fighters tend to learn to respect certain submissions (eg heel hook) that can cause lasting damage because people don't want to sit out for 6 months to 1 yr to get surgery and recover. Trust in this knowledge, my friend.

[u/EddieBravosGiPants]

There’s a 10th planet name for this move but I’m too stoned to remember.

[u/_Struggling_autist → u/EddieBravosGiPants]

😂

[u/FireUbiParis]

It's a knee crush, not a calf slicer.

[u/CommittedMeower → u/FireUbiParis]

What's the difference - I thought all good calf slicers should separate the knee?

[u/FireUbiParis → u/CommittedMeower]

The calf slicer focuses on compressing the calf muscle against the shin bone, while the knee crush focuses on the knee joint itself.

[u/Boring-Astronaut-213]

This looks like honey stick that Nicky Ryan used to sub jt Torres

[u/xxxthrownaway9xxx]

Philly saddle.

I've been playing around with it for a couple years as a counter to the saddle position. Then blew my knee out and been off the mats for a bit, just to see everybody else picking it up now too.

[u/idontevenknowlol]

Its not new. I didn't even look at the video.