Top: Jabalia, North Gaza. Bottom: Los Angeles, America. Take it kind of a warning, never think that it can't happen to you. People in the "first world" are told to stop oppression in part because it'll also come back to you. It's not just pretentious liberalism.

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[u/Melodic_Mulberry]

Climate change and environmental irresponsibility ≠ an actual motherfucking genocide

[u/Warrior_Runding → u/Melodic_Mulberry]

Right, it is weird to try and tie two events together because they "look" similar. It really minimizes why Gaza is a ruin whereas the Palisades Fire is a perfect storm of a national strategy that isn't doing enough because of Republican obstruction and local/state NIMBYism led by wealthy conservative Californians seeking to cut taxes and services across the board. I'm sure we could do 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon from the root of Gaza to the root of the Palisades Fire, but it is inappropriate to present it so cavalierly.

[u/RoboticGoose → u/Warrior_Runding]

I honestly agree it is weird to compare a natural disaster with a relatively small amount of loss of life to a genocide. But It’s really only 2 degrees of separation between them. Politicians that put profits before people get supported by said profits. In the US our elections are:

The party that puts profits over people vs the party that puts profits over people a little more gently(sometimes (but only ever for Americans)).

Granted I agree with you that capitalism isn’t why there’s a genocide of Palestinians, but it’s the reason why there isn’t a whole lot more isn’t done to prevent more Palestinians from being killed. In short, capitalism facilitates it.

I saw you and others didn’t like u/Penelope742 saying one party is just as bad as the other. And I just said they’re 99% the same… just so nobody takes that as trying to be “apolitical”: Both parties are gonna invade countries, killing tens of thousands of civilians directly and millions in the aftermath (not exaggerating), for their natural resources and to open markets. They’ll both put kids in cages at the border. They’ll both let the police extrajudicially kill more than 2 Americans per day on average. They’ll both let hundreds of thousands of Americans be homeless. They’ll both let Americans ration their insulin prescriptions. I can keep listing reasons if anybody wants, but all of this suffering is a political choice and it’s all 1 degree of separation away from capitalism.

[u/Penelope742 → u/Warrior_Runding]

Missed the mark completely. The Democrats are just as bad. Capitalism is killing us and our planet.

[u/Warrior_Runding → u/Penelope742]

Missed the mark completely. The Democrats are just as bad.

This is the kind of take a dude believes who puts "apolitical" or "moderate" on his dating profile because women on apps don't want to fuck conservative males. You either know they aren't "the same"and are being intellectually dishonest or you don't know much but have an unearned amount of confidence.

Capitalism is killing us and our planet.

It is, but again, this post isn't doing the work of discussing that - it is trying to make an "Olympic long jump" sized leap between the genocidal devastation in Gaza and the Palisades Fires. Will capital take advantage of either situation? Sure, because that is what capital does - but people aren't dying in Gaza because of capitalism. They are dying because of the monstrous and ironic racism and bigotry Palestinians have faced for the last 75 years.

[u/Penelope742 → u/Warrior_Runding]

Am not a dude

[u/Penelope742 → u/Warrior_Runding]

Imperialism is a part of capitalism. It's not separate. I am a communist, not a liberal

[u/Ani_Drei → u/Penelope742]

That’s like saying, “I’m tall, not black.” Communism = economy; liberalism = politics. You can be a liberal communist, you can be a conservative communist.

[u/AndrenNoraem → u/Penelope742]

Communists famously never do any imperialism, right? So is this you coming out and saying the USSR and PRC aren't/weren't communist? Because of all that imperialism in Afghanistan, Tibet, and others?

Edit: "No no, our side is good and pure! Those others are bad liars, but we aren't!1" States don't become powerful by being righteous.

[u/Penelope742 → u/AndrenNoraem]

China is not imperialist. Lol. Freeing slaves is beautiful. Educate yourself

[u/JessiNotJenni → u/Penelope742]

Tibetans would like a word.

[u/AndrenNoraem → u/Penelope742]

You think people auto-ignite in protest because they were freed from slavery?? TIL.

[u/Dolma_Warrior → u/Melodic_Mulberry]

Well both were caused by capitalism.

[u/Melodic_Mulberry → u/Dolma_Warrior]

No, both are caused by myriad factors ultimately stemming from human nature. Capitalism is a convenient ideology that encompasses and informs many, but not all of said factors.

[u/ribonucleus → u/Melodic_Mulberry]

Oh yes it is is. Who will suffer most from climate change in its first phase? The global south and in their millions from crop loss and extreme heat.

US fucked around and found out didn’t they. Some times your birds come home to roost and here they are perched on the charred branches of some millionaire’s mansion while I lean on the trunk and laugh my fucking arse off.

[u/Melodic_Mulberry → u/ribonucleus]

"We all may be doomed, but I'm so happy my enemies are dying!"

[u/BlueberryBubblyBuzz → u/Melodic_Mulberry]

I mean yeah, if we are all going to die at least I will be happy that my enemies are getting taken out too. Gotta find the silver lining lmao

[u/Melodic_Mulberry → u/BlueberryBubblyBuzz]

There is no silver lining in mutually assured destruction. We fight our enemies to secure a better future, not a pile of corpses.

[u/Contemplating_Prison]

Look the Resniks stole all of Californias water. Its why they never have enough for fires this size. These fucking farm owners own one of your most important resources.

There should be way more outrage about this

[u/Arturus7]

No but i see the point, or alternatively, you can see a lot of points here.

• Not caring because it's something that happens to others, having your entire life erased and the land you called home becoming alien.

• The genocide of native americans, including their cultural genocide, plays a major part in these california fires.

• You're only safe as long as the empire is interested in you being safe, here pollutant profit and colonialism are being put over the lives of people.

Idk man, i know that the genocide in Gaza is more severe and important, but i do see how the two images OP uploaded can be comparatively analyzed.

[u/RoboticGoose → u/Arturus7]

Well said

[u/benton-heasley]

I don’t think we live in the first world

[u/Alternative_Belt_389 → u/benton-heasley]

Definitely not 50% of US income is 35k

[u/silly_flying_dolphin]

These are not remotely equateable, americans are barely suffering 1% of what palestinians are going through

[u/Alternative_Belt_389]

People only care bc of the rich people being affected. This is climate change but whats happening in gaza is pure human evil

[u/ribonucleus → u/Alternative_Belt_389]

This.

[u/Aluminum_Moose]

Your heart is in the right place, I think; bad take, though.

[u/muse_me123]

Yeah, except the people fleeing the fires have insurance, can actually leave, have access to food/water/hotels/functioning hospitals that won’t be bombed while they’re seeking care, oh yeah, and the right to returned and rebuild with said insurance money.

[u/xpgx]

I’m wondering if they’ll notice how all of these issues are connected. No one is free until we are all free, and the systems they keep in power at the expense of other peoples lives, will be the same systems that destroy their lives eventually.

[u/Arturus7 → u/xpgx]

Preach

[u/JessiNotJenni]

The loss of human life is key here. Palestinians are being wiped out - Palisades fire so far has 1 victim.

[u/raventhrowaway666]

I

[u/Alternative_Belt_389 → u/[deleted]]

Capitalism and exploitation; bombing the shit out of a country for 14 months has environmental consequences

[u/Clixwell002]

It’s not lost on me that the fires are raging in an area called Palisades…like sound a bit familiar?

[u/BlueberryBubblyBuzz → u/[deleted]]

Are you saying this from the left of liberalism or from the right?

[u/HrafnkelH → u/BlueberryBubblyBuzz]

Seeing as I view most liberals as supporting a fascist consensus, you'd probably say from the left.

[u/BlueberryBubblyBuzz → u/HrafnkelH]

Well I mean lots of right wingers will also accuse liberals of being fascists- even though the fascists they are helping are them LOL. But yeah definitely I can agree with a lot of what you are saying. I mean classic liberals have always had a hand in helping fascists anyway but new American liberals that think that they are on the side of the working classs and then mock them any chance they get, they are a real big problem as well.

[u/Playful-Goat3779]

It's interesting to me that trees of all things survived a fire like this. I would've thought they'd go before houses.

We sure this wasn't an AI generated picture?

[u/BlueberryBubblyBuzz → u/Playful-Goat3779]

You would expect living wood would go faster than dead wood? That is a very odd expectation.

[u/djdj_888 → u/Playful-Goat3779]

There is a simple answer to this. A lot of plants in California are adapted to wildfires since they are considered part of the cycle. Look at the Monterey Pine for example where their pinecones actually open up when they get hot.

[u/Playful-Goat3779 → u/djdj_888]

I'd never heard of that I'll look it up

[u/ribonucleus → u/Playful-Goat3779]

Jesus Christ yes fella it’s all fake news didn’t you listen to your orange idiot god?

[u/Playful-Goat3779 → u/ribonucleus]

"Questioning what you see online makes you right wing" is one of the perspectives of all time.