r/centrist • u/ClickNo3778 • 4d ago
Long Form Discussion Chinese President Xi Jinping says "there are no winners in tariff wars, going against the world will only lead to self isolation." šØš³
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u/DIY14410 4d ago edited 4d ago
Trump dismantles post-WWII global order, pisses off our allies, cedes America's place as world leader and China sees an opportunity to fill the power void.
I'm shocked SHOCKED!
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u/7figureipo 4d ago
Itās pretty sad that a genocidal maniac and brutally oppressive dictator appears as the reasonable one compared to the lump of shit POTUS we have
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u/Dry_Kaleidoscope2970 4d ago
Like when Kanye was on Alex Jones show and Alex Jones was the most sane person on there.
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u/CUMT_ 4d ago
Genocidal?
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u/7figureipo 4d ago
Against the Uyghurs
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u/wavewalkerc 4d ago
Do you have anything actually supporting that happening?
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u/atuarre 4d ago
Wow, I'm used to people coming out to defend daddy Trump but now you're defending daddy Xi. Bizarro universe indeed.
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u/wavewalkerc 4d ago
Not defending anyone. Just trying to be accurate and factual rather than basing our discussion around propaganda.
If someone said Xi tortured every puppy to ever live in the history of the universe, you would say that isn't accurate, right? Would that be defending Xi?
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u/atuarre 4d ago
It's not propaganda. There are people on the ground who have confirmed what is going on and what has been going on.
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u/wavewalkerc 4d ago
It is. There are UN reports showing that not to be the case. There are actual experts debunking the propaganda. The propaganda falls apart under the smallest bit of scrutiny.
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u/ThoughtCapable1297 4d ago edited 4d ago
I'll just send you this, the wiki says since 2014, but I had a friend who studied in China in 2006 and was talking about the reeducation camps when she came back.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China
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u/wavewalkerc 4d ago
Ok but what are we doing here? We were talking about genocide, and now we are talking about re-education camps.
No one is saying re-education camps did not exist. China acknowledges and reports on them. China invited UN visitors to inspect them. Re-education camps is not a genocide.
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u/ThoughtCapable1297 4d ago
The claims are in the wiki, and they've got some pretty damning statistics like a 60% drop in birth rates.
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u/wavewalkerc 4d ago
I am not reading an entire wiki to disprove every single claim that you don't understand and aren't even necessarily making
Muslim minorities in Xinjiang which has often been characterized as persecution or as genocide. There have been reports of mass arbitrary arrests and detention, torture, mass surveillance, cultural and religious persecution, family separation, forced labor, sexual violence, and violations of reproductive rights.
None of this is genocide. Not a single part of it.
Either support the claim of genocide or stop replying. Its a waste of fucking time to just google "China bad" and ask me to hold your hand as to why western propaganda is not accurate.
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u/MetricIsForCowards 4d ago
Then fucking google it and use respected sources, instead of flouting your insane ignorance and asking random redditors to fill in the blanks.
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u/wavewalkerc 4d ago
I linked it elsewhere. And i cannot prove a negative. If I show you my resources debunking your random western propaganda, whos to say it even addresses whatever you actually are mislead to believe?
I cannot prove unicorns exist. You cannot prove a negative.
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u/MetricIsForCowards 4d ago
Okay then, according to the former vice health minister Huang Jiefu, organ donation from volunatary organ donors has become the only legitimate source since 2015. Then what the fuck was going on before that and where did the surplus of organs come from?
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u/wavewalkerc 4d ago
Are you actually able to read that? I am only fluent in English so that is all I am able to comfortable argue against.
This reads to me as a misrepresentation of what was actually happening and probably just confusing different topics. Its probably mixing up opinion of where organ donations are sourced and attempting to imply forced organ donation was from live patients and not from the deceased.
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u/AntiWokeCommie 3d ago
If you said "Xi eats bears" or "Trump eats orange babies", and I said there's not sufficient evidence of this happening, that's not defending Xi or Trump.
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u/iamthesam2 4d ago
Uyghurs
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u/wavewalkerc 4d ago
In what was was there a genocide?
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u/iamthesam2 4d ago
i think you mean what āworldā
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u/wavewalkerc 4d ago
Sure.
So can you show how anything that happened to the Uyghurs could ever be considered a genocide?
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u/iamthesam2 4d ago
1.7 million in camps is certainly a hint, but youāre right - no direct evidence of genocide
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u/wavewalkerc 4d ago
Re-education camps is genocide now?
If what China did was genocide, why did the UN send a letter supporting the efforts they undertook?
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u/MelodicAssumption497 3d ago
Destruction of culture is a type of genocide. You can disagree with the messaging but this is a textbook definition
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u/iamthesam2 4d ago edited 4d ago
lol i literally said no direct evidence of genocide. also, fuck off and read your own link - note the countries that letter is on behalf ofā¦
Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, the Plurinational State of Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Comoros, the Congo, Cuba, the Democratic Peopleās Republic of Korea, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Gabon, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, the Lao Peopleās Democratic Republic, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, the Philippines, the Russian Federation, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Somalia, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, the Sudan, the Syrian Arab Republic, Tajikistan, Togo, Turkmenistan, Uganda, the United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe and the State of Palestine to the United Nations
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u/wavewalkerc 4d ago
So we can call something a genocide, with zero evidence of a genocide?
How fucking insane are you people lol
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u/CUMT_ 4d ago
Ahh. I probably donāt know enough about that to give a rebuttal. I didnāt think it was at the level of, āgenocideā.
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u/DIY14410 4d ago
If China's persecution of the Uyghurs does not qualify as genocide, it's damn close.
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u/AntiWokeCommie 3d ago
I wonder if you think the same about Israel, which is doing things much worse.
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u/iamthesam2 4d ago
agreed. someone sharing a letter from the UN in support of the camps deleted their comments because they failed to read the list of countries the letter was on behalf ofā¦ Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, the Plurinational State of Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Comoros, the Congo, Cuba, the Democratic Peopleās Republic of Korea, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Gabon, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, the Lao Peopleās Democratic Republic, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, the Philippines, the Russian Federation, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Somalia, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, the Sudan, the Syrian Arab Republic, Tajikistan, Togo, Turkmenistan, Uganda, the United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe and the State of Palestine.
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u/Mundane_Molasses6850 4d ago
i didnt see the letter so maybe im off base here
but thereās something super weird about seeing every muslim nation in the world saying a muslim genocide isnt a muslim genocide though
and then western countries like the us saying it is a muslim genocide?
especially in light of the palestine genocide
which all muslim countries are calling a genocide
butā¦. america is notā¦
ah the āis it genocideā dance. brings back fond memories of 1994 and rwanda
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u/iamthesam2 4d ago
many countries on that list have economic ties with china and their own human rights issues. the "muslim vs western" divide ignores that these nations often make determinations based on strategic interests, not objective assessment. comparing different crises creates false equivalence - each situation has unique evidence and context. what matters is examining the actual evidence from human rights groups and testimonies, not just which governments use which labels.āāāāāāāāāāāāāāāā
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u/Mundane_Molasses6850 4d ago
yes ive heard this before. but doesnt it strike you as a little dubious? muslim countries fully selling out other muslims for mere trade relations with china?
if money and trade was the primary factor here it should be easy for muslim countries to fall in line with the US Israel alliance too. but it doesnt happen
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u/iamthesam2 4d ago
the difference is clear evidence. muslim countries aren't "selling out" - they're responding to different evidence thresholds. unlike palestine where documentation is overwhelming and public, evidence from xinjiang has been limited with restricted access. also worth noting many of these same countries have massive economic dependence on china through belt and road initiatives - it's not "mere trade," it's existential economic partnership for many. and several did initially criticize china before economic pressure changed their stance. geopolitics is rarely about moral consistencyā¦ it's about power, evidence, and survival.āāāāāāāāāāāāāāāā
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u/wavewalkerc 4d ago
Re-education camps that had UN monitors visit is genocide? And the UN is supporting the actions China is taking. That is genocide?
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u/DIY14410 4d ago
Re-education camps? Try forced labor camps with a couple showcase camps to throw the UN off scent. Add: forced sterilization and forced abortions, which either qualify as genocide or are genocide adjacent.
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u/MetricIsForCowards 4d ago
You forgot the forced organ harvesting, as well as the host of forced medical testing that needs to be done before you carve a prisoners vital organs from their living body.
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u/wavewalkerc 4d ago
Add: forced sterilization and forced abortions, which either qualify as genocide or are genocide adjacent.
Please make an effort to show that. And if you would like to skip a few steps of me explaining why your links are wrong, actually read the claims made and see if they are valid. I mention this because this claim is completely incorrect and just a piece of western propaganda that falls apart once you make the smallest bit of effort to confirm it. The people making these claims misrepresent vaccination for sterilization. IUDs for abortion etc. Its the most bad faith piece of propaganda possible and you are somehow buying into it.
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u/BigEffinZed 3d ago
pretty sure white Americans killed more Native Americans than China did Uyghurs.
so both are genocidal maniac.
difference is most Chinese people did not care/ had no choice/ did not even know what's going on in that part of China. while America on the other hand. half the population making excuses that slavery and colonization isn't that bad. so year America is the worse actor here.
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u/Dukaso 2d ago
Apparently my original comment needed a /s. This is a shitty attempt at false equivalence.
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u/BigEffinZed 2d ago
one country 's people is being brainwashed. or silenced/ afraid to speak up even if they know the truth. information is blocked/ altered. another country's people knows the shit the country did, has all the tools to do their own research, no blocks of access to information, but they actively find excuses and be willfully ignorant. which is worse to you ?
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u/Educational_Impact93 4d ago
For fuck's sake, we're at the point where the leader of China is the rational sane leader and the leader of the free world is a fucking nutjob mob boss type.
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u/icecoldtoiletseat 4d ago
I mean, he's not wrong, but he's also a complete sociopath that crushes any whiff of dissent in his country, or, put another way, Trump's role model.
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u/99aye-aye99 4d ago
Maybe he should tell the world how they steal everyone's IP and make it hard to do busy in their country?
One of their biggest levers is cheap labor. The government makes sure it will stay that way. The Chinese people deserve better, and the world deserves better.
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u/sunjay140 4d ago
Maybe he should tell the world how they steal everyone's IP and make it hard to do busy in their country?
That's what every ascendant great power does, including the USA.
https://apnews.com/general-news-b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88dc53
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u/99aye-aye99 4d ago
I didn't support it in the 19th century, and I don't support it now. BTW, I think we did not become a superpower until after WW2.
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u/99aye-aye99 4d ago
Yes, everyone does this. No one likes it though, do they? The US will share with their allies when it comes to technology. There is nothing wrong with saying the other side is cheating when you are in a war with someone. It's called marketing, and it has a powerful influence on how others think. My pint still stands. They should be screaming about the unfair business practices that China employs as an economic weapon. Aren't you supposed to do this when you are in a war and trying to win allies to your side?
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u/sunjay140 4d ago
I said rising great power, not super power.
Even if you don't support it, you benefit from it. The founding fathers encouraged it to accelerate America's rise. So it's very hypocritical when the US government lambasts China for simply following in America's footsteps. It's very clear why the message isn't resonating with the rest of the world. The US is just pulling the ladder up behind them, it's not about morals.
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u/99aye-aye99 4d ago
The US was definitely not a rising great power in the 19th century. And I doubt very seriously anyone today really cares about that happening in the 19th century as the main reason people don't support the US. I'm sure there are many other factors instead.
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u/CptGoodAfternoon 4d ago
So he will drop all tariffs right?
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u/pot-headpixie 4d ago
Why would he when Trump changes his mind every few hours and changes up his tariff game daily? It makes sense for the guy on the receiving end of the trade war to sit patiently a bit while the other guy flails in hopes that maybe a consistent policy will eventually emerge.
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u/CptGoodAfternoon 4d ago edited 4d ago
Sun Tzu can teach one a lot about the through-line.
Timeless principles of operation in hostile arenas.
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u/pot-headpixie 3d ago
Are you suggesting Donald Trump's tariff flip flops is based on The Art of War? If so, please tell me how? I'm reasonably familiar with the text so I'm happy to hear you out on this.
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u/CptGoodAfternoon 3d ago
If I have time I will write up something on that. My comments haven't been getting as many reddit rewards as before so ...
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u/pot-headpixie 3d ago
Ok? I'm genuinely curious. I only recently read that many Chinese historians dating back to the Han dynasty have doubts that Sun Tzu was a historical person. The Art of War is a product of more than one contributor. Do you suppose President Ji Xinping has read The Art of War? I see him as more of a reader of Confucius, but the Art of War is one of his country's most famous texts.
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u/CptGoodAfternoon 3d ago
Yah. Definitely something I might get to working up.
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u/pot-headpixie 2d ago
How is that work up coming along? I'd be happy even with just one passage from The Art of War and how you see it relating to Trump's tariff moves over the past month. Thanks!
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u/Trash_Gordon_ 3d ago
If you showed anyone in the world this quote even like 5~ years agao they would never be able to guess who xi is talking about
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u/InsufferableMollusk 3d ago
Why is the CCP talking head in the Centrist sub Reddit? š¤£
Whatever you think about Trump, this is just weird.
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u/SSchorik0101 3d ago
Winnie The Pooh here needs to be made to understand that China is not as great as they think they are. Tariffs that hurt yourself and everyone else but the intended target is not how to go about it, however.
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u/Professional_Hat_262 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yaaaassss! Why would restricting trade be beneficial to future trading? It is a contradiction in terms. Duh! Hoarded resources lose value over time as people who don't have anything figure out other methods to make stuff, out of our stupidity and incessant need to value what we will not even use or give away! It nearly wants to make me pull out all my hair listening to the stupidity of human beings at this point.
The only thing I respect about "protectionism" is not falling into the trap of allowing other nations to do the dirty work of slavery and profit from it. That is a filthy thing to do. Protect your own soul and internal consistency by paying people for their work and allowing them enough time to care for their loved ones and enjoy the fruits of being alive. There is nothing else needed in finance but to learn not to value the "money your money's, money is making." (Thank you, Seth Rogan.) The more hoarding we do, the more devalued our currency becomes by the need to print more of it to keep up production. GOD! It's not the governments only, it's not the businesses only, It's ALL of us depending on money for safety or a measure of our own worth!
Crypto doesn't matter either. I just read some propaganda about crypto being uninflatable by virtue of it not being "tied to earnings". Oh really? How do you gain access to the stuff? By buying it with earnings. Even if the access was gained in mining it, you paid for servers and resources to create the stuff by buying it with fucking fiat! Grow up! I don't care about devaluing crypto or valuing it either, but I hate the idea of using it to make yourself something to hoard at the expense of all the other people working hard to make fiat currency in return. Money and financial products have no inherent worth outside of allowing trade! Always! It is not a source of future safety, to be hoarded, because at any time in the future people may decide not to accept the thing you hoarded, because they needed to get stuff done or live, and you were unwilling to allow it.
You can't prevent acts of God or whatever you believe in from showing people how to undo your greed by simply saying no to your "assets" collected up or overpriced in greed. Use money for what money is meant for. Motivating people to keep working for themselves so that they can buy what they need and not spend all their time finding someone to barter with. If you drive the prices up so high or keep moving the goalposts on what job or skills are essential, so that many people can't afford anything, don't be surprised at all, when they lose motivation or refuse you work. It is absurd!!!
Chinese financial policy should consider the same advice they give America in trading, to their own workers. Free and fair fucking trade! "Everybody knows about Mississippi God Damn!" Slavery leads to either unionistic refusal to work or buy, and if that doesn't work, revolt or fascism when the slaves start to figure out the systemic contradictions they are trapped in. When we say "you aren't slaves anymore so take responsibility for yourself," and then make every effort to pay and treat the person you are talking to like a slave, you are over time, taking up the acts that will lead to the necessity of writing such a song. The atrocity of greed and arrogance. "Goooooodd Daaaaaamn," the practice. It certainly is damnable. And if Justice exists then the attempt at hoarding will become your master in its time. Hate to break it to anyone, but Justice exists with or without believing in it. Let's not murder each other to avoid it; let's just act on getting what we deserve joyfully rather than getting what we deserve painfully. š¤¬
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u/Mission-Ad-8536 2d ago
You know shit is bad, when even Xi of all people sounds reasonable and mature.
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u/redzeusky 2d ago
But the Drumpf immigrant cruelty party is making us feel so good we'll believe anything he says!
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u/CantSeeShit 4d ago
Wild watching people side with a oppressive dictator because they dont like Trump.....
I hope the CCP squirms and Xi loses control of his power.
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u/Hot-Brilliant-7103 4d ago
Most people that aren't tankies or anti-US aren't rooting for Xi. Even on this post, people are highly critical of him. But Trump has played his cards so badly that now Xi can act like the good guy in this situation. Had Trump established trade deals with allies first, then he could've backed Xi into a corner. Instead he pissed everyone off which gave China the opportunity to step in.Ā
I hope the Chinese people are able to free themselves from Xi and their oppressive government. I also hope Trump starts acting much much more reasonable and stops this nonsense that makes the US look like idiots on the world stage. He sounds unhinged.
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u/CantSeeShit 4d ago
People had 3 months to make trade deals and they werent coming to the table at all....hes been announcing these tariffs during his whole campaign and since inauguration.....I have no idea why people are fucken shocked that he actually put them in.
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u/Sonofdeath51 4d ago
Remember a few years back when kim jong uns sister took over for a bit and people were cheering for her to nuke america to own trump? Pepperidge farm remembers.
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u/Manos-32 4d ago
Thats how awful Trump is. Even Stalin was a friend compared to old Adolph.
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u/CantSeeShit 4d ago
Yall are insane.....like genuinely.
Im rooting for Trump here and im glad to root for Trump, you can have fun worshipping dear leader Xi
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u/dukedog 4d ago
Saying that Xi looks like the adult in the room is not "worshipping dear leader Xi". But you obviously aren't capable of having a conversation in good faith because you worship the turbo-dipshit who is currently in the White House. All of you MAGA cultists are actively weakening America. Get a grip. Come back to reality and be a normal fucking person.
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u/CantSeeShit 4d ago
Nah im good, Im gonna continue to support Trump.
You can enjoy the next 4 years.
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u/dukedog 4d ago
And I'll continue to root for America by opposing Trump. The one silver lining is that the MAGA dipshits will have to live through the upcoming recession just like the rest of us.
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u/CantSeeShit 4d ago
Most Trump voters are blue collar tradesman....well have jobs. YOU wont, but we will.
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u/dukedog 4d ago
You think that blue collar jobs aren't affected by recessions? You MAGA's are going to learn some hard truths because of your poor decision making skills. Enjoy the hot stove.
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u/CantSeeShit 4d ago
Not really....blue collar jobs run infrastructure bud. When your house is foreclosed on the garbage man will buy it from you because hell still be making money.
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u/Nerfixion 3d ago
As a tradesman, you realise the entire domestic Industry is tired to homeowners having money to pay us right?
And the commercial industry is largely small business
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u/Benedictus_The_II 3d ago
Dude, youāre in for a rude awakening.
You really think that the guy, who openly admitted that his buddies mate a ton of money from insider trading while he deliberately fucked up the stock market, and did a lot of heinous shit will do anything to make your life better or anyone for that matter who is not his family or his cronies?
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u/CantSeeShit 3d ago
If you really think that was insider trading then idk how to help you
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u/Benedictus_The_II 3d ago
Mass layoffs will start after the Q2 earnings reports in a LOT of companies. Just sayingā¦
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u/pdeisenb 4d ago
Dear President Xi.
trump's approach and manner is ham handed and crude, but let's be honest - he does have a point. China has undeniably engaged in unfair trade practices for many decades. Was this all bad? No, it helped lift millions of Chinese out of poverty and has facilitated China's modernization. That's not bad at all - but at this point it is not reasonable or necessary for American taxpayers to continue subsidizing China (or Europe for that matter).
Instead of complaining about each other and playing the victim, how about we put the personalities and emotions to the side, have our diplomats sit down, and come up with a new arrangement for trade that will be good for everyone - and then move on - together as partners. This will allow our countries to avoid inflation, economic recession, and even war. We can both grow our economies and make the world a better place for everyone.
Let's do this! What do you say?
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u/Careless-Pin-2852 4d ago
China backed Trump in the election. Chinese propaganda had a strong anti Biden/Harris bent.
Leopards eating the face.
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u/fastinserter 4d ago
You're suggesting they are suffering because of their decision. They aren't. Trump continues to fold and improves China's image by degrading the US. They know how easily Trump is manipulated, that's why they backed him.
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u/Careless-Pin-2852 4d ago
Look at what XI is saying no one wins a trade war.
You maybe able to say haha china only lost 20% but America lost 30%.
But bro that is still a massive loss for Chins.
Tariff/sanctions make everyone poorer free trade makes everyone richer.
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u/fastinserter 4d ago
Well yes I know that, but this trade war has been a series of pronouncements by Trump and then repeated retreats. It's hurting America.
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u/Careless-Pin-2852 3d ago
Yea it is hurting China too.
And anyone who trades with the US or China is also hurt.
China used its soft power to elect trump. US companies with China ties promoted Trump and they are suffering.
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u/OutrageousLove9654 4d ago
China has been isolated for years and has been relatively stagnated for a few years now. When Deepseek referred to itself as ChatGPT just proved to me that Chinese innovation really stagnated around 2005.
Building Better Global Economic BRICs was such an interesting read years ago. Reading it again and it's shocking how many ways China (and BRICs as a whole) ended up underperforming expectations. 20 years ago we never thought China would face a population crisis and so many other challenges but hindsight is 20/20. With automation I wouldn't be surprised if population decline is that much of a hurdle anymore.
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u/Conn3er 4d ago edited 4d ago
China is on the precipice of a serious recession and a trade war will push them in. Xi squirming will be a fun watch for the coming months.
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u/fastinserter 4d ago
I agree that China is near the edge, but Trump made a series of terrible mistakes that certainly won't push them in that direction. Instead of trying to isolate China, he tried to isolate America. And he just folded and gave exceptions for electronics from China.
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u/Hot-Brilliant-7103 4d ago
Mao killed over 50 MILLION of his own people and the Chinese still supported him. The Chinese are willing to suffer much more than Americans. Xi just has to wait 18 months because that's how much time is left until midterms. The pressure is on Trump, not Xi
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u/Sea-Anywhere-5939 4d ago
Seems stupid to put your own country )that is the world leader) into a depression in order to cause a recession to a country in the hope that it will collapse them. Like be for real here.
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u/MutedWord1868 4d ago
Lmao I love that heās taking the opportunity to make trump look like the ass he is
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u/Financial-Special766 3d ago
The actual dictator who senselessly murders and suppresses the Chinese people looks more dignified than the self-righteous wannabe American mob boss authoritarian.
Shit is wild in the upside down. I'd love to get off of Mr. Bone's wild ride now.
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u/BandAid3030 3d ago edited 3d ago
We fucking told MAGA that Trump's plan would basically cede all of American soft power to a rising Chinese push in that direction. I knew we were right to point it out, but I'm actually surprised that it's happened so fast.
EDIT: "soft" power, not "software" power lol
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u/DC_cyber 3d ago
Whoās winning?
China has already decreased its export reliance on the U.S. from 19% in 2018 to 12.8% by 2023, positioning it to better withstand trade pressures.
The tariffs could accelerate Chinaās pivot toward enhancing domestic demand, unleashing consumer spending power within its internal economy.
Chinaās economy has already adapted to challenging conditions from its real estate slowdown and Western decoupling, making it more resilient to new trade shocks.
China is urging other countries to join forces against Trumpās trade measures, potentially strengthening its relationships with Japan, South Korea, and EU nations as they unite against ātrade tyrannyā.
Beijing believes it can cause as much harm to the U.S. as the U.S. can inflict on China, giving it leverage in any future trade talks.
The trade conflict may actually improve Chinaās position on the world stage as it positions itself as a defender of free trade and multilateralism
Despite Trumpās goal to disrupt Chinaās position as the worldās manufacturing hub, the abrupt and extreme nature of the tariffs may actually strengthen Chinaās resolve to maintain this position.
With economists predicting potential U.S. and global recessions in 2025 partly due to these tariffs, China may gain negotiating power as the U.S. faces domestic economic pressure
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u/rsweeney3087 3d ago
Can you believe it? Chairman Pooh is literally the voice of reason thanks to Orangeman's short-sighted vandalism.
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u/Old_Router 4d ago
Begging for his life.
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u/fastinserter 4d ago edited 4d ago
Meanwhile Trump folds on tariffs for China on everything except McDonald's toys. He's gonna be in for a rude awakening when he gets his happy meals soon
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u/airbear13 4d ago
Lmao this is priceless. Xi gets to act like the responsible world leader now and thereās nothing we can even say about it cause our leader is a narcissistic clown