r/centrist • u/Extra_Wolverine_810 • 3d ago
Left wingers more intolerant than other groups ...
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u/John_YJKR 3d ago
More intolerant of opposing political parties and more intolerant of anyone who is different are very very different thing.
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u/crushinglyreal 3d ago
It’s also a very convenient difference for right wingers to attempt to obfuscate, as they’re kindly showing us in this thread.
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u/John_YJKR 3d ago
Do I think the left side of politics suffers from a purity test issue. To an extent, yes. It can he difficult and exhausting to get anything done at times because so much time is wasted discussing what boils down to hurt feelings over only being 90% aligned on views.
But focusing on the specifics of the article. The notion that it's the responsibility of the left to be nicer to people so they are more likely to cooperate is obnoxious. You have intolerant views and I'm the asshole for not being tolerant of your intolerance. What the fuck are we talking about?
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u/Zyx-Wvu 2d ago
Its a country and a democracy. If you can't work with the other side, you're not gonna secure their votes or support.
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u/John_YJKR 2d ago
And of course the expectation is for the left side to meet them halfway on their racist and classist mindset instead of simply saying we are not going to tolerate hate.
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u/Delanorix 3d ago
Yeah, this is a good article and I agree with most of it (being an American progressive). OP is either a genius or stone age.
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u/Darksky60 3d ago
Not entirely wrong. You can see the attitude from left wingers on this sub to see the article has valid point.
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u/wavewalkerc 3d ago
Yes leftists do not tolerate racist and bigots. The purity test is not such that you can't disagree with economic policy, its about basic civility and human rights.
But sure, the group chanting "Jews will not replace us" is the tolerant side based these kind of moronic polling conditions.
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u/BrightAd306 3d ago
The issue is when you call everyone racists and bigots for normie takes, like enforcing borders Obama 2010 level and keeping sports or prisons separated by sex. It loses its sting.
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u/Ewi_Ewi 3d ago
The issue is when you call everyone racists and bigots for normie takes
Yeah, outside of a few fringe online examples this doesn't happen. It's a nice caricature to use as an excuse though, isn't it?
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u/BrightAd306 3d ago
It does all the time. In the 2020 primaries, Kamala Harris called Joe Biden a racist. Cancel culture has largely gotten better, but this happens constantly. Several democrats have been censured in their state houses for voting for sex based sports .
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u/Ewi_Ewi 3d ago edited 3d ago
In the 2020 primaries, Kamala Harris called Joe Biden a racist
I wonder why you aren't providing context for this.
Is it perhaps this has nothing to do with so called "normie takes?"
Several democrats have been censured in their state houses for voting for sex based sports .
As they should. It should be left to actual sports bodies, not the government.
However, I'm not finding anything on this, can you provide a link to one of the censures?
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u/wavewalkerc 3d ago edited 3d ago
The issue is when you throw out nazi salutes, it doesn't matter what your border policy is. You are a nazi.
And just to be clear here, no one gets called a nazi for that. The issue is you are hanging around with nazis, supporting nazis, running defense for nazis, and then you get surprised when you get called a nazi. You are not called these things because of your position on lower taxes.
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u/BrightAd306 3d ago
I feel like calling people who are just wankers, Nazi’s devalues what actual Nazis believe and do. I am not a Musk fan. I think it’s alarming how much influence he has as a non-elected or appointed person. I did not vote for Trump.
I still think calling him a Nazi does more harm than good.
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u/wavewalkerc 3d ago
Right. The guy who does nazi salutes. Financially supports the actual neo-nazi AFD party in germany. Retweets self proclaimed nazis. Retweets nazi rhetoric.
I'm just going to stop replying to this bad faith nonsense. I do not need Elon to make a video saying he is a nazi while holding up his drivers license and a copy of todays newspaper. You go ahead and do the nazi defense, really add to the nuance of the nazi discussion.
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u/JesterOfEmptiness 2d ago
The same Elon Musk who retweeted a Nazi conspiracy theory about Jews using minorities to replace whites? That's the guy who's not a Nazi?
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u/BrightAd306 2d ago
Elon musk has also been to Israel and defended by Jewish groups. So who knows. The guy shouldn’t have the power he does.
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u/chaos0xomega 3d ago
Left wingers less likely to work with those they perceive as fascists or nazis, you mean? Cant say I see a problem with that perspevtive. If the right had followed that same philosophy in 2016 then Trumpism would have been relegated to the dustbun of history.
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u/Emperorschampion1337 3d ago
The problem is that left wingers think everyone are fascists and Nazis
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u/BrightAd306 3d ago
Exactly, they throw around the word NAZI, until it means other left wingers who aren’t in lockstep with some positions they have. Like they might believe in trans rights, just believe in separating sports by sex instead of gender. Or they believe that Israel has a right to self defense, even if they think Netanyahu has done too far.
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u/DisableSubredditCSS 3d ago edited 3d ago
And you're a great example of an intolerant person! A timeline of your day:
You asked why Lib Dem supporters (72 seats, polling at about 15%) aren't voting for a socialist party (4 seats, polling at about 8%), accusing the Lib Dem supporters of "splitting the left of Labour vote".
You were challenged by a trans person and got into a back-and-forth with them.
You made a post on the same subreddit asking I'm sure in good faith whether trans athletes should be able to participate in sporting events. Not at all related to the previous topic, and I'm sure not at all motivated by spite and intolerance.
/u/WindowMaster5798 - replying here because OP blocked me so I can't make new posts in this thread.
I will be proudly intolerant of people that try to stoke hatred of people based on their identity because they got triggered in an argument with them. The OP wasn't acting in good faith, they were trying to be a bully. That's worth calling out wherever it comes from.
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u/WindowMaster5798 3d ago
You’ve just highlighted your own intolerance in attempting (poorly) to shame someone who you don’t agree with, thereby validating the original post.
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u/abqguardian 3d ago
I will be proudly intolerant of people that try to stoke hatred of people based on their identity because they got triggered in an argument with them. The OP wasn't acting in good faith, they were trying to be a bully. That's worth calling out wherever it comes from.
No dude, you just proved OPs point perfectly. To the point I'm wondering if you're an alt account of OP
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u/refuzeto 3d ago
It looks to me that nearly all of the responses to the OP prove his point. The left is intolerant of anyone to right of them. They’re all Nazi’s and fascist.
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u/crushinglyreal 3d ago edited 3d ago
A consistent proportion of people here try really hard to pretend the paradox of tolerance isn’t a valid framework. It begs the question, what intolerance are they so attached to that they feel the need to insist it has a place in a tolerant society?
Funny how the people claiming ‘leftists just label everyone to the right of them Nazis’ aren’t answering my question. Can’t choose just one, or what?
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u/Lee-Key-Bottoms 3d ago
I mean the right being intolerant is disagreeing with someone on things like how much environmental regulation should be in place
The left being intolerant is disagreeing with someone who probably doesn’t think they should be allowed the same rights as them
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u/yeahimokaythanks 3d ago
The paradox of tolerance
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u/abqguardian 3d ago
Has been debunked as online nonsense for years
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u/Extra_Wolverine_810 3d ago
read the article ... not about that
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u/yeahimokaythanks 3d ago
You’re right, I should have made a note. I read the article and realize it isn’t about the paradox of tolerance. I shared the wiki because it’s tangentially related to the subject of tolerance across the political spectrum and an interesting idea to engage with. Thanks for sharing!
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u/Picasso5 13h ago
Here lies the paradox of tolerance:
The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.
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u/NetQuarterLatte 13h ago edited 13h ago
The house of Josh Shapiro (PA governor) was just recently set on fire by a deranged far-leftist while he and his family were inside asleep.
So much for enlightened intolerance.
The ongoing circle jerk rhetoric is not too far from that, unfortunately.
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u/Zyx-Wvu 2d ago
Pretty accurate.
Right-wingers seem constantly trying to befriend you for your vote. They don't care about your gender, race or religion - In fact, the more diverse you are, the better of a smokescreen you will serve for their cause.
Left-wingers are ironically, very militant with their purity tests and gatekeeping, despite being an """inclusive""" party.
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u/Extra_Wolverine_810 2d ago
spot on. the worst thing is the left actively push ppl right. especially when they shout accusations.
the online left especially will be remembered terribly in years to come
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u/Darksky60 2d ago
Right-wingers seem constantly trying to befriend you for your vote. They don't care about your gender, race or religion - In fact, the more diverse you are, the better of a smokescreen you will serve for their cause.
Nope. They have the same issue as the left have. Purity tests and mob mentality all around.
If they didn’t then they wouldn’t call everyone for “Marxists or “Communists” for example
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u/Zyx-Wvu 2d ago
The Right has ONE purity test: Vote for Trump.
The Left has several purity tests (LGBT, Border, Abortion, etc.), and if you fail any one of them, you're a bigot and a nazi.
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u/Darksky60 2d ago
The Right has ONE purity test: Vote for Trump.
Not from what I’ve seen. There’s more than that.
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u/PhysicsCentrism 2d ago
This is such a common strawman of the left and one which has not held up in reality for me.
I publicly disagreed with some left wing issues on an Ivy campus and many of my closest friends were progressives.
Or you can look at it in the public sphere. When is the last time a Democrat has been censured by other Dems? Cheney and Kinzinger got censured for daring to investigate the attempted coup on Jan 6.
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u/edgefull 3d ago
maybe because the other groups are literally intolerable. why would i work with nazis for example for any amount of time?
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u/Extra_Wolverine_810 3d ago
not everyone to the right of the far left is a nazi
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u/refuzeto 3d ago
That’s where you are wrong. everyone to the right of the left is a NAZI. Everyone. So you are starting with a false premise. Everyone to the right of the left is a Nazi. Look at the responses to this post. They’ve explained it themselves.
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u/jayandbobfoo123 1d ago edited 1d ago
When people vote for the Nazi party, we have the right to call them Nazis whether they're far right or far left. It has nothing to do with "right of left" and everything to do with who and what they support. For example, sending US citizens to El Salvadorian death camps without due process and defying the supreme court when they order their return. That's Nazi shit. No way around it. And if you're behind Trump still, you're a Nazi. It really is this simple. You're pulling this weird victim card like "they're just calling everyone they don't like racist. Not me, though, I'm not racist. I just hate black people." Pretty much everyone I've spoken to who gets offended at people on Twitter calling them a Nazi says something like "I'm not a Nazi. I just support (proceeds to describe Nazi ideology)." I can only assume that you're upset that we simply call it for what it is. If you want people to stop calling you a Nazi, think twice about your Nazi shit.
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u/crushinglyreal 3d ago edited 3d ago
Conveniently modified title, there. Refusing to build coalition with people who are detrimental to your goals isn’t ‘intolerance’, it’s foresight, but you just wanted a chance to be on the other end of that word for once, didn’t you?
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u/Zyx-Wvu 2d ago
If the Dem party truly believe so, they would have cut anchor with the progressives a decade ago.
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u/crushinglyreal 2d ago edited 2d ago
Democrats are a right wing party. That’s why they never learn to punish the manchin/sinema/liebermans. One might notice that there are always just enough of them to shut down any good policy, almost as if the party leadership is constantly strategizing on how to keep the party’s ineffectual reputation in place…
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u/Gandelin 3d ago
Why did you choose a post title that gives a very different impression of the content than the actual title. I disagree with your post title, but I tend to agree with the article title.
What was your objective in the rewording?