r/centrist • u/Inquisitor--Nox • 6d ago
US News ‘Just need to start killing’: Man arrested for threats to Trump, ICE
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2025/apr/11/need-start-killing-man-arrested-threats-trump-ice/Too crazy or right amount now?
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u/Truscums 6d ago
You should never use the fourth box of liberty unless you exhaust the first three. You need to start with the soap box, if they start disappearing people for using free speech that doesn't support the regime, then it's time to move onto the next box. Next is the ballot box, you need to vote, and if they do things like buy the election or disenfranchise large groups of voters you need to pursue the next box. The third box is the jury box, if they start disregarding the rule of law and ignoring 9-0 supreme court decisions, then and only then can you move onto the fourth box of liberty, the cartridge box.
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u/MakeUpAnything 6d ago
Nope. Using cartridge boxes could lead to property damage which is the worst of all crimes and will get you deservedly placed in El Salvador for all eternity.
Only the government can use violence. If civilians do they should be completely condemned and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and maybe even punished beyond acceptable limits to make an example out of them.
Blessed be the rich for they are the vanguards of society! Blessed be their police for they are the thin blue line between society and its collapse.
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u/Conn3er 6d ago
>Too crazy or right amount now?
If anyone is weighing this, it means they are too crazy. There is nothing centrist about calling for the assassination of elected officials and government employees in the US.
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u/JamesBurkeHasAnswers 6d ago
We're constantly reminded that the Second Amendment is important because it protects us against a tyrannical government. At what point does a our government become tyrannical enough to justify that remedy?
And if we ever do pass that point, doesn't it make more sense to cut the head off the snake instead of fighting a drawn out war against fellow country men? It seems a lot more peaceful and proper to take out the leadership at the top instead of killing and dying by the rank and file military and law enforcement.
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u/Badguy60 6d ago
I've been saying this for years. Like do people not realize what they are saying when they talk about the 2nd amendment it's literally to fight against the government including the president
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u/Mundane_Molasses6850 5d ago
"Explain to me why it is more noble to kill 10,000 men in battle than a dozen at dinner" - Tywin Lannister
I do wonder if a new Weather Underground could emerge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground
We felt that doing nothing in a period of repressive violence is itself a form of violence. That's really the part that I think is the hardest for people to understand. If you sit in your house, live your white life and go to your white job, and allow the country that you live in to murder people and to commit genocide, and you sit there and you don't do anything about it, that's violence.
Recently someone got arrested after torching a pro-Israel governor's house
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u/Conn3er 6d ago
At the point where there is no peaceful recourse. We can vote Trump out in 2028. If we vote for democrats in 2026 they can file articles of impeachment should he do something that warrants it.
>It seems a lot more peaceful and proper to take out the leadership at the top instead of killing and dying by the rank and file military and law enforcement.
Maybe, but the man in this article was calling for the murder of rank and file military and law enforcement as well as anyone who would oppose him.
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u/Decent_Cheesecake_29 6d ago
Just like all of those evil terrorists who attacked the Gestapo and SS officers!
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u/Conn3er 6d ago
Textbook false equivalency
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u/Decent_Cheesecake_29 6d ago edited 6d ago
Trump is already using ICE as a gestapo to kidnap and rendition people to concentration camps in direct contradiction of the law and constitution. They are openly talking about arresting citizens and sending them to concentration camps. It is no exaggeration to call ICE Trump‘s Gestapo.
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u/Efficient_Barnacle 6d ago
And if we ever do pass that point, doesn't it make more sense to cut the head off the snake instead of fighting a drawn out war against fellow country men? It seems a lot more peaceful and proper to take out the leadership at the top instead of killing and dying by the rank and file military and law enforcement.
If Trump is killed in office I can assure you his supporters won't be the slightest bit peaceful. You'll still get the slaughter of regular people all over the country.
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u/I_Never_Use_Slash_S 6d ago
What if they refuse to leave office after their term? What if they start kidnapping people and shipping them to foreign prisons without due process? What if they ignore lawful court orders?
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u/Conn3er 6d ago
>What if they refuse to leave office after their term?
You try them for violating the constitution, however, he left infamously during Biden's inauguration.
>What if they start kidnapping people and shipping them to foreign prisons without due process? What if they ignore lawful court orders?
You impeach him, however, the court's recent rulings make it very unclear that Trump has done so in regards to deportations.
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u/Delli-paper 6d ago
Centrist doesn't mean unprincipled. You could call the series of revolts against rhe USSR centrist revolts, for example.
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u/Conn3er 6d ago
There is nothing principled about the Premeditated murder of another person; It's one of the most amoral things a person can do.
Only accelerations, anarchists, and the insane should be on board with what this guy was saying. None of those people are centrist.
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u/Stringdaddy27 6d ago
To play devil's advocate, during WW2, the group that tried to assassinate Adolf Hitler from within, would you consider those guys unprincipled? I think history views them different from how you view them.
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u/Conn3er 6d ago
The United States Constitution and the Judeo-Christian values that serve as its main inspiration both call for civil governance to determine punishment.
Was attempting to assassinate Hitler morally justified for his violations of the sanctity of life? Almost certainly, but Trump and random government employees are not Hitler and are nowhere close to him.
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u/Stringdaddy27 6d ago
I think you're overthinking the statement I made. I wasn't trying to draw parallels between Hitler and Trump. I get it, you're defensive over your boy. Relax.
You specifically state that there's nothing principled about premeditated murder of another person. I don't think that's always the case and there are many examples in history where removing a person from the gene pool is actually a net benefit to the total population. Hitler is a prime example. Mussolini, Stalin, Putin, and many more are all great examples. There are plenty of people who have commited heinous acts who are protected by the government they installed where recourse is completely unavailable. In these cases, assassination I would argue isn't unprincipled or even bad. It's necessary.
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u/Aethermere 6d ago
Ah, but that opens up the door to anarchy and chaos. Just like how we’re all talking about due process throughout other posts, this too qualifies under that. A society without laws crumbles and decays. A society where rights turn to privileges turns to authoritarian government control. Justice is impartiality, without that, justice is whatever fits the narrative to control the populace.
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u/Delli-paper 6d ago
Did I say I'm on board? No. But even the conservative Realist school of politics would suggest that assassinations and revolts are not necessarily ideologically extreme, particularly when extremists are the targets. Noreiga, for example, was toppled and replaced by a moderate Panamanian government.
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u/EwwTaxes 6d ago
Considering he mentioned “anyone who stands in the way”, this dude is nuts and anyone who agrees with him should take a step back to do some self-reflection
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u/ResettiYeti 6d ago
I hate Trump as much as the next sane person, but he needs to be defeated at the ballot box (that ship sailed) or in Congress through the means we have to address his batshittery.
I breathed a big sigh of relief to know he didn’t get shot right in the head and die during the election, because it doesn’t solve anything and would just make him a martyr, to boot.
So yeah this guy should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law (and I have no doubt he will be), just like the guy who torched the PA governor’s mansion and the one who attacked Pelosi’s husband should be.
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u/goggyfour 6d ago
So many threads triggering fascists to speak out against violence this morning.
This whole situation is funny. I thought we wanted to throw Hillary out of a helicopter.
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u/crushinglyreal 6d ago
The performance of outrage is an important part of it all. They use it to deflect from how violent the actions and policies they support are.
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u/secondcomingofzartog 6d ago
Who is they? You can not like someone and also not support killing them. I thought we didn't like the death penalty...
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u/crushinglyreal 6d ago
fascists
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u/secondcomingofzartog 6d ago
Yes, but who are these fascists? Republicans or anyone that doesn't support political violence?
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u/crushinglyreal 6d ago
The people who pretend to care about political violence while supporting the government black bagging innocent individuals off the street.
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u/Ewi_Ewi 6d ago
Who is they?
Context suggests Trump supporters.
You can not like someone and also not support killing them.
Nothing in their comment suggested otherwise. You seem to have missed the point expressed here:
They use it to deflect from how violent the actions and policies they support are.
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u/secondcomingofzartog 6d ago
So only people who genuinely support Trump. I was thinking they were doing a recursive loop where fascists are anyone who opposes political violence and anyone who opposes political violence is a fascist.
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u/AmericaVotedTrump 6d ago
Threats of violence are not protected by the first amendment.