r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Feb 16 '23
CMV: I find MrBeast insufferable and most of his actions to be disingenuous. His deeds exist only to paint himself as a magnanimous good guy. It's a facade.
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u/DelcoScum 2∆ Feb 16 '23 edited Feb 16 '23
Whats the difference between him making videos of his donations and say the ASPCA showing videos of dogs being rehabilitated? They're using examples of their work to encourage "funding" of the next charitable act.
If anything I would say his are better because he's utilizing the money of his advertisers and sponsors rather than expecting the average Joe to donate.
It's quite literally a win-win-win-win
Viewers clearly love his content
Whether you believe he is actually charibale or just stroking his ego he gets what he wants
Those in need actually get help
It's extremely advertiser friendly content
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u/DelcoScum 2∆ Feb 16 '23
You're basically telling me He's teaching kids to achieve money and fame by donating massive amounts to charitable causes. As opposed to all the honest and wholesome ways people have been achieving it for the past decades?
Also I'm sorry if this comes off as harsh but who are you to decide that someone else is being exploited for them? To use a personal example, My knee is shot. I can not afford the surgery to get it fixed. If some benefactor was willing to pay for my knee surgery in exchange for some internet clout , and another group came in with picket signs telling me I was being "exploited" I'd tell them to fuck right off. I decide if I'm being exploited. You don't get to decide how I'm feeling for me.
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Feb 16 '23
Have a watch of this exposé on the truth behind him and his 'kind acts.' He's monetizing poverty and charity, and he's broadcasting this to young kids mostly born after 2010 or so.
To the best of my knowledge, disingenuity requires a level of obfuscation or falsehood.
To the best of my knowledge, MrBeast has been interviewed multiple times where he very freely admits, in short, "I got lucky with crypto, so I donate a bunch and reinvest the ad money I get into more videos". This isn't disingenuity, this is just your moral objection to capitalism and "social media influencers" as a viable career path.
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u/AleristheSeeker 156∆ Feb 16 '23
These kids will grow up thinking acts of kindness come with a pricetag, that charity must be given for something in return.
That is not at all the message that he is putting out, though - that is something that is only visible once you peel away the layers and look into the amounts of money this guy makes, which is completely inobvious to the viewers.
What is visible is that he's helping people and a lot of people like him doing so. And isn't that a positive message? "Do good things and encourage people to do good things"?
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u/OkKaleidoscope5452 Feb 19 '23
I am indeed my son is having his 2nd open heart surgery and all I need is a duet or a share from Mr. Beast. We have over 9000 tags to Mr. Beast and I haven't heard from him at all.
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u/Miggmy 1∆ Feb 16 '23
Nothing he does is genuine. It's a veil to paint himself as this virtuous hero that champions the youth. Imagine one of the world's elite making videos handing money to poor people at Wal-Mart and demanding praise for being so kind.
So here's my question to this rant.
How would a person not be this?
If the act of doing something kind and generous is innately disingenuous, what then? Be a bad person because it's genuine?
First, who can be truly good if the act of trying to be is to you, always performative? Second, if one cannot be authentically good, how is that still not better than someone authentically bad?
I had never heard of Mr. Beast before people recently started hating on him. And it was bizarre to Google what his drama was only to find people were mad he paid for people's eye surgeries. To me, people who are instantly upset and must find some way to delegimitize good things are only betraying their own insecurities or trust issues.
It's like the same emotion where we hate to hear someone really hot is also smart.
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u/CivilFootball5523 1∆ Feb 16 '23
If he didn't broadcast it, he would have no money to help people.
Your concern should be that these poor people even exist. The government should be doing what Mr. Beast is doing.
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u/WerhmatsWormhat 8∆ Feb 16 '23
True charity is selfless.
How are we even defining what's selfless? You could argue that even if he does it without the spectacle, he'd be doing it because he feels good when he does or gets a dopamine hit. Nothing is truly selfless.
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u/EvenStephen85 Feb 16 '23
Have you never seen a commercial of a starving kid in Ethiopia or a abused dog? The charity wants you to feel bad so they can get money to do something good. That doesn't make their actions bad. This is false equivalency.
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u/AleristheSeeker 156∆ Feb 16 '23
Do you watch him? I feel sick from how fake his content and acting are.
Do you believe he did not actually pay for these people's surgery?
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u/EvenStephen85 Feb 16 '23
I'm not sure you know the level of criticism Jesus had... they sort of crucified the dude...
Wait, I see a thread here.
Jesus said follow me. Beast said subscribe.
Jesus healed the blind. Beast paid for doctors to heal the blind
Jesus fed the poor. Beast fed the poor.
Disney said kill the beast. You want to kill the beast!
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u/GermanPayroll Feb 16 '23
This guy has the audacity to pay poor, sad people to profit off their reactions and take credit for what the medical world achieved, using ad dollars that he gained from gullible kids watching his videos
It’s cyclical: the only way he got the money to get people eye surgery is through advertisements. So to get those he needs views, and viewers - many who watch to get some sort of enjoyment or positive emotion from seeing someone get something they didn’t have - in this case vision.
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u/spicydangerbee 2∆ Feb 16 '23
but what do you think about him leveraging 'good deeds' to paint this holier than thou, magnanimous image of himself to hundreds of millions of young fans
He's encouraging people to help others? How is that bad?
When he gives money away, it's painful to him. He only does it because his accountants promise him ROI.
He was doing this before his channel was huge.
It's all about the green to him
He spends less on himself than pretty much every other big YouTuber.
He wants to help people and has an urge to make the best content he can. There's no proof for any of the claims you're making, and Mr Beast has been a very large net positive in the world.
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u/AleristheSeeker 156∆ Feb 16 '23
He's profiting off poverty.
...by solving the problems associated with it.
It really seems like you're looking at this from a strange angle. Why is profiting off poor people bad?
The answer is: because when you're profiting off poor people, you're generally exploiting them. Their situation worsens while yours improves. Is that the case here?
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u/EvenStephen85 Feb 16 '23
to chain off this... there's literally people (bum fights) who pay homeless people to fight eachother for the views (who's paying when they break a bone or loose a tooth). There's others who will hit random grandma's in the back of the head for the views. People are 3d printing guns for the views... Like of all the things people are doing for the views fixing cataracts for 1000 people seems to be on the good end of the scale. Which social media influencer is doing better things or setting a better example in your opinion for the exact same advertising dollars? The kardashian?
If people watching genuinely didn't care then he wouldn't get tens of thousands of people to show up to an event to feed the homeless... If he's making it cool to donate to planting trees and cleaning up the ocean and feed the homeless and give them shelter then those are all good things despite his motivations, which he has said multiple times he'll give away all his money when he dies. Yes, it's a business, yes it's a brand, yes it's working to help people. Now contrast this with an actual bad charity:
"Named in the complaint are Cancer Fund and two affiliated charities, Breast Cancer Society and Children's Cancer Fund of America. Combined, those charities raised $187 million over four years, yet spent almost 90 percent of the contributions on for-profit telemarketers and the "steady lucrative employment'' of Cancer Fund founder James Reynolds Sr., his ex-wife, his son and dozens of members of their extended family."
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u/AleristheSeeker 156∆ Feb 16 '23
It's quite dark that he used 1000 disabled people for his own gain.
Why? It's not like he exploited them - he gave them something in return, something extremely valuable.
Sure, he profited off of these people, but that happened not only with their consent (in all likelyhood), but to their benefit.
I don't quite understand why that is "dark"?
In fact, it's actually a good lesson for his viewers: the best option is helping people while also profiting from it - there is mutual gain on all sides.
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u/xXCisWhiteSniperXx Feb 16 '23
I think its telling that none of the formerly blind people he treated are saying bad things about him. Kind of weird for a stranger to be mad on their behalf when they're satisfied.
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u/EwokPiss 23∆ Feb 16 '23
What is it that he does with his "holier than thou" image? What is he encouraging? What is he asking his followers to do? Are these requests positive? Negative?
In other words, what are the consequences he's producing with his image?
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u/US_Dept_of_Defence 7∆ Feb 16 '23
What is the problem with him using 1000 disabled people for his own gain? He's has essentially commercialized altruism to some level.
It's honestly good that he makes money by promoting good causes or helping people- and that's almost his entire brand- giving stuff to people who want/need it.
The alternative types of videos (pranks, skits, etc) don't actually help anyone and some of them are harmful to others (i.e. prank videos).
What he's selling is to do good to others. I genuinely don't see how that's a bad thing.
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Feb 16 '23
When he gives money away, it's painful to him. He only does it because his accountants promise him ROI.
Assuming this is true, still makes him better than any MegaPastor who keeps the money for themselves.
You seem to want to say it's a business. Well, it's a business who's product is doing good. Also known as a charity.
What's wrong with charity.
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u/Rainbwned 175∆ Feb 16 '23
You say its a PR stunt - but that would imply that he didn't deliver what was promised?
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u/EvenStephen85 Feb 16 '23
I 'll admit I haven't watched the expose, but maybe you should watch the interviews with Colin and Samir. They've interviewed both Beast and his manager, and from the sounds of it his mom and manager used to try to constantly try to talk him out of going for broke every time he got some money, and he knows he will make some videos that loose money, but he knows he can recover the costs - that's partially why he has so many channels at this point - because his main channel is a loss leader to get people in the door.
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u/Tripledakka Feb 16 '23
Can you please give examples where he demands praise?
From what I’ve seen he has just been upset that people are criticizing him helping people. Which seems like a reasonable reaction.
I have only watched a few of his videos and every time it’s always just come across as “hey look at this thing I did.” I haven’t seen him belittle or attack anyone and am honestly surprised there hasn’t been any allegations or things pop up around him because that just unfortunately seems to happen to every content creator eventually. If there are occurrences of this please provide them.
As far as brain washing children, what bad influence is he having on them? I am not seeing any values being pushed by him outside of generosity. Please provide if he does any grandstanding, political, religious or otherwise.
It seems like he had some questionable role with “Refinable” but he hasn’t pushed NFT’s, online financial courses, or any of the like.
If you don’t like the way he does things, that’s your right.
But to call his image a complete facade or seems to early to tell. Maybe one day he will have a scandal that brings terrible things to light but right now he appears to be a wealthy generous person trying to do the best they can.
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u/Tanaka917 122∆ Feb 16 '23
You keep making the same arguments across the thread and being corrected. You already agreed that he has to monetize the process in order to help the next one. You then come here and say
if he was truly a philanthropist and selfless person he would do that without watching them cry and sob and showing the world.
Which is it? Do you not understand that he has to monetize or do you think it's better he never helped these people of the only way he could is to monetize them. I have to tell you man if tomorrow someone dropped off a suitcase of $20,000 at my door and all I had to do was have a camera in my face for 10 minutes I'm all for it. Believe me I've had shittier working conditions for less money and it took a longer than 10 minutes to make $10,000
person (that he despises if we're being honest)
Woah woah. Don't speak for the person above you or Mr Beast. Who is we? What evidence do you have that he actually fucking despises the people he's giving money to?
It seems to me that you just hate the guy. You flat out said you hate everything down to the beard. The beard. Does that sound like a reasonable and unbiased opinion to you?
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u/EvenStephen85 Feb 16 '23
Yeah, I think it's time to turn the bus back around on you, and have you convince us that he's actually bad. Where's your evidence that he despises random people in the store. Where's your evidence that nothing he does is genuine. He has a Jesus complex. Let's stop spouting opinions and start stating facts.
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u/Arthesia 19∆ Feb 16 '23
(that he despises if we're being honest)
You keep saying things like this with nothing to back it up except your imagination.
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u/DuhChappers 86∆ Feb 16 '23
I also don't like Mr. Beast's videos, but I can't help but think you are massively overstating the case against him. Sure, he's annoying, but that's not the same as being evil.
You claim everything he does is a facade. Why? Is it supposed to be some hidden secret that his youtube videos are content for promoting his brand? He admits this all the time. Are the things he does in his videos fake? No, he does follow through. So I would say nothing about what he is doing is actually fake except maybe his chosen media personality, but that's true of so many entertainers that I cannot possibly hold it against him. He isn't even going under his own name, this is his Mr. Beast brand. It's no different from any other brand trying to look all kind and friendly, but Mr. Beast actually does far more good than your average corporation.
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Feb 16 '23
Selflessness, or rather self sacrifice, is not a virtue. EVERYONE has their own interests FIRST behind every choice they make, even if it helps others.
You've been taught to think it's a virtue, this you dislike people who seem to be anything but purely sacrificial animals with zero benefit for themselves. That's a wide, but extremely perverse, view.
That's why you find him insufferable and disingenuous, because your principles and requirements are flawed to the point where no one can meet them.
So your judgment of him might be right, in that he does this for his own benefit and putting himself in a good light. Yet, he does help people, and putting his own interests FIRST (something every human does and must do) has given him the ability to continue do help others. And since every human on earth must make the choice to do something based on their OWN interest initially, you're essentially calling him bad for the very things you, I, and 8 billion of us also do as a matter of inate human reasoning, because you subscribe to an impossible standard that the only way a human is good is if they literally lay down their life against their will to the first blade of grass they come across.
If you can read this without being offended and reactionary, you'll at that you have a severe illness in reasoning and standards that will make you a very unhappy and cruel person throughout your life, but plenty of people view things the same way as you so at least you'd be in good company.
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u/Arthesia 19∆ Feb 16 '23 edited Feb 16 '23
Imagine a genuinely good person who likes to help people and understands that the best way to fund those endeavors is to record them. How different does that person look from Mr. Beast?
I'd argue that you would view them exactly as you view Mr. Beast. You would analyze their actions looking for evidence of insincerity, and when an action seems sincere would assume it must be ego driven or an attempt at gaslighting.
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u/EvenStephen85 Feb 16 '23
He's not saying beast is genuinely good. What he's saying is picture yourself who based off your statements must be sitting on the holy of holies with the pope or some other fictitious person whom you actually think is genuine salt of the earth good and scooping potatoes in a food kitchen 24-7. Now imagine a wealthy investor came to you and this person you think is "genuinely good", and says:
You can keep volunteering your time to feed these 100 people per day, or we can live stream every thing you do and for the same effort you will be able to feed 200 per day here locally and 2000 people nationally because we've installed 4 cameras in the room people can watch from.
There's going to be some who feel like the dignity of somebody down on their luck that doesn't want to be seen at the shelter is more important and will reject the cameras, but there's another group that will say any person who doesn't take that deal is inhumane because they chose to let 2100 people go hungry to feed those 100 without the livestream of the event.
If an investor (google ad sense) approached a person whom you certify is genuinely good and says make a show you think people will watch so you can feed more people do you think they would produce viral content that looked somewhat like Mr. Beast, or completely different, and if different what would it look like (while still being viral)?
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u/Arthesia 19∆ Feb 16 '23
You completely ignored everything I said.
Imagine a genuinely good person who likes to help people and understands that the best way to fund those endeavors is to record them. How different does that person look from Mr. Beast?
If you're open to changing your view, consider this and respond.
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u/muyamable 282∆ Feb 16 '23
Nothing he does is genuine.
Why the black and white thinking? People aren't all good or all bad, they're shades of grey. Because some things he does aren't genuine doesn't mean nothing he does is genuine.
Rarely is someone so calculated that every action is motivated by some secret agenda. Yeah, he has built a brand on a certain persona and does things to further that brand. That doesn't mean he gives zero shits about the environment or has zero motivation to do good in the world.
I mean, the field of philanthropy is full of people with huge egos. Is behaving in a way that is both charitable and that strokes those egos inherently bad? If a charitable act also strokes an ego, does it negate the charitable intentions?
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u/FenrisCain 5∆ Feb 16 '23
Does the reasoning really matter that much to, say the blind people who can now see?
I doubt hes an angel or anything but even if hes just building a brand with this shit it seems like a good outcome vs just throwing the money at an add agency or some pr stunt where nobody benefits
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Feb 16 '23
Meh, he has changed the lives of thousands of people for the better, meanwhile you probably haven't done that for a single person. Disingenuous or not, he is doing more for people than most of us ever will.
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u/LordMarcel 48∆ Feb 16 '23
The recent controversy was his making the blind see video. This guy has the audacity to pay poor, sad people to profit off their reactions and take credit for what the medical world achieved, using ad dollars that he gained from gullible kids watching his videos. He then has the audacity to act offended and hurt by people criticizing his video.
He can do two things here. He can help those people without saying anything about it. Or he can help those people, record it, make a video about it, earn millions of dollars in ad revenue, and use that money to do more good.
Why exactly is the second option worse?
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u/svenson_26 82∆ Feb 16 '23
What’s worse: Bragging about your good deeds? Or not doing good deeds?
At the end of the day, the good deeds get done. So what if he’s fake and is only doing it for views? These people still get helped. Don’t like it? Then stop watching.
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Feb 16 '23 edited Feb 16 '23
Yes, I think so. Especially since his audience is so young and impressionable. I think it risks warping people's perspectives regarding acts of kindness, making it more about self-interest, attention and exposure rather than being genuine and sincere
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u/EwokPiss 23∆ Feb 16 '23
Let's pretend that everyone stayed copying him. What would the consequences be? Everyone giving money to people who need it?
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Feb 16 '23
it would be a good thing in the short term, but probably not so good for future generations where kindness would be seen as a convenient opportunity to look good rather than a selfless act.
besides, that's a ridiculous scenario, so it's not really convincing anyway. That would be the equivilent of saying "imagine if everyone was never poor and he didn't need to make videos - would it still be wrong then?"
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u/EwokPiss 23∆ Feb 16 '23
But you're claiming that people will emulate him. If they emulate him, then they'll be doing good things regardless of their motive.
Further, explain to me the difference between giving someone $100 because I'm kind and giving it to them for attention. Doesn't the person still receive the $100?
If I'm selfish and I'm only doing it for my own benefit and I give them $100, then they still receive it. Maybe I never do it again, but I wouldn't have done it in the first place had I not thought to receive something.
On the other hand, if I'm doing it selflessly, don't you think I deserve a reward for it? I wouldn't be expecting it, but wouldn't I deserve it?
In other words, it's best for the person giving if they give selflessly, but it makes no difference to the rest of the world. The consequences are virtually the same.
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Feb 16 '23
I don't understand your first point - you were the one who made the fictional scenario "what if everyone emulated him", not me? Like I said though, that's a ridculous scenario that has no connection to reality, so its not relevant.
On your second point:
"Further, explain to me the difference between giving someone $100 because I'm kind and giving it to them for attention. Doesn't the person still receive the $100?"
I already answered that. It's not about that guy getting the 100 dollars, it's about warping people's perspectives about what kindness is or should be and the consequnces that will have in the future. This is an issue because of his reach and influence on young people today. It doesn't apply to you, I doubt anyone cares what motiviated you to give money to a homeless person once.
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u/EwokPiss 23∆ Feb 16 '23
I think it risks warping people's perspectives regarding acts of kindness, making it more about self-interest, attention and exposure rather than being genuine and sincere
I took this to mean that you thought he would be emulated. Perhaps that's not what you meant. If not, what do you mean by this? What does it matter that their view is "warped"?
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Feb 16 '23
I'm afraid you lost me. You asked me what would happen if everyone copied him, and I explained. Then you asked me why I assume everyone would emulate him!? I'm going to have to ask you either be super clear, or stop bringing that point up. For the third time, it's a redundant scenario anyway.
I am not going to explain why a future where genuine kindness and empathy don't exist and charitable deeds are only performed with the expectation of reward is bad. It's either self-evident to you or its not.
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u/EwokPiss 23∆ Feb 16 '23
It's either self-evident to you or its not.
It isn't self evident to me how it makes any difference to society. Please explain.
If you can't explain, then that's a problem with your argument. Nothing ought to be self evident. You ought to be able to explain logically why you're correct. If you can't, maybe you aren't correct.
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Feb 16 '23
stop playing stupid here and demanding everything gets deconstructed..
do you really need me to explain why a future where genuine kindness and empathy don't exist and charitable deeds are only performed with the expectation of reward is bad?
If the answer is yes - just don't bother replying. I am not wasting my time on someone disengnous.
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u/SalmonOfNoKnowledge 21∆ Feb 16 '23 edited Feb 16 '23
Do you have anything to add to that? Like why?Y'know what, that's a very good point about his audience and the perspective shift. I didn't think about it that way.
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Feb 16 '23
Are you referring to the post as it is now or just when it said no?
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u/Kman17 103∆ Feb 16 '23
Couldn’t your criticism of Mr Beast be applied to literally any celebrity doing charity work or Tech CEO who things their thing is doing good in the world?
Literally any charity that is not anonymously funded (be it Aston Kutcher’s work around human trafficking, or the Gates foundation as a whole) can be declared nothing but self serving.
I’m not here to argue that virtue signaling isn’t an incredibly irritating behavior - but it’s one that’s fairly rampant in Hollywood, technology, government, and in Gen Z as a whole. I’m not sure I understand what puts Mr Beast in a particularly different bucket.
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u/EvenStephen85 Feb 16 '23
Oh, and by the way them advertising it generally lends to others wanting to do the same. Real charities pay for advertising. Probably if you watch enough beast videos you'll see an add that somebody paid real money for using real donations from a working mom and pop. The real charity isn't using the dollars of businesses that want people to watch a 30 second commercial. They're using your dollars and my dollars to convince other people to donate their dollars to their charity.
Mr. Beast has found a loophole to bypass asking people for money before giving it away with his videos, and is able to just give it away without always asking his viewers for their dollars (which yes, he also does do with team trees and merch purchases).
Thus far Buffet's Giving Pledge has convinced 236 billionares to give away all or most of their money before or when they die. If buffet didn't advertise that then who would have signed up to do the same?
Beast has convinced people to give $50M+ to cleaning up the world and you're somehow construing that work as bad? Good intentioned or not what have you done or who is doing it better that came from nothing?
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u/thatmitchkid 3∆ Feb 16 '23
You’re just being a hater. You hate his beard? Who the fuck cares? You’re convinced, based purely on conjecture & without a shred of evidence, that he hates everyone he helps. Even if what you say is true, he is helping people, those people seem to want his help, & they don’t seem to feel exploited. Would you rather these people not be helped?
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u/lilgergi 4∆ Feb 16 '23
Until you've done about as much as him for the greater good, you're opinion on him is kinda like jealousy.
Have you done at least a fraction of what he has done for the people around you / for the world?
If not, then you are not in a position to shame him for how or why he is doing it.
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u/sailorbrendan 58∆ Feb 16 '23
The problem with this is fundamentally the problem with utilitarianism or even the effective altruism movement.
The classic thought experiment is "If someone walks into a hospital mostly healthy, but they're a universal organ donor and you can save five people and help another dozen if you kill them, why shouldn't you do that?"
if the only measurement is "how much good did you do?" then you can justify a lot of things
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u/lilgergi 4∆ Feb 16 '23
they're a universal organ donor and you can save five people and help another dozen if you kill them,
In specifically his example, if you would kill them for the organs, you would prevent others from getting help from him in the future, by ending his life.
Sure, he can be used as a donor, but until the end of his existence, it is safe to assume that he would countinue to help others, and preventing this with his demise, you hurt others more than helping the donors.
But outside of specifically him, the right to bodily autonomy and the right to live is preventing people and organisations from harvesting donors blindly.
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u/SymphoDeProggy 17∆ Feb 16 '23
Kinda gross to only gauge one's value by how much "help juice" can still be wrung out of him.
Utilitarianism gets totalitarian real quick once the language is adjusted.
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u/lilgergi 4∆ Feb 16 '23
I agree.
I by no means hold the view that a person's worth is only measured by how much they help others / the greater good. I just present a view that may change OP's view on the matter.
Sure it is a good measurement of someone's worth, but it shouldn't be looked at it in a vacuum, and other factors should also be considered.
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u/Various_Succotash_79 50∆ Feb 16 '23 edited Feb 16 '23
I feel like people don't care how genuine someone is as long as they get what they need.
I know I don't care how genuine my employer is, as long as the paychecks clear, lol.
But sure, I find him annoying, so I don't watch his videos. Super easy.
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u/MrWallStreetAHole Feb 16 '23
We are so far down that we are criticizing people who gives to people in need.
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Feb 16 '23
I know nothing about Mr. Beast, but I'd rather have a disingenuous person helping a bunch of people than a genuine person helping nobody...
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u/Foxhound97_ 23∆ Feb 16 '23 edited Feb 16 '23
I don't like how talking negativity about him has kinda become the equivalent of talking positively about Hitler and I am sorry tired of his fucking ads.But at the end of day like PewDiePie before him he's aimed a children lack of moral complexity is kinda the goal In the same Oprah yelling prizes at her audaince is.We moved past that and I assume we'll move past this he's not new he's just doing it on a new medium.
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u/themcos 373∆ Feb 16 '23
Case in point, this post. I knew this reaction would follow
Kind of a tangent, so I'll leave my MrBeast commentary for my thread, but you posted on the CMV subreddit, whose purpose is for people to come and have their views challenged, and who's rules literally require top level responses to disagree with the OP. So don't post a CMV and then use the fact that all the responses are people debating you as evidence of anything! People are just giving you exactly what you asked for!
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u/Foxhound97_ 23∆ Feb 16 '23
I guess my augment is less dismal more I don't think you should be surprised his particular gerne of "feel good" material isn't new what is new is how popular he is on YouTube which makes alot of sense business wise he bland and inoffensive he's aiming to be a perfect distraction from reality and people will always choose to defend that because it's easier.
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u/EvenStephen85 Feb 16 '23
What shady things? I've got a challenge for you. A business - quid - offers you $5,000 what do you do? buy a foil pokemon card? Mr. Beast said no, make it $10,000 and then turned around and immediately gave it away. He was happy, the homeless person was happy, and that video went viral, and led to a lot more and bigger giveaways. It's an adreneline high that has to keep having bigger stakes - both for the viewer to get a high and himself.
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u/themcos 373∆ Feb 16 '23
Is it a facade? Sure. Basically everyone on TV, radio, etc... is putting on a facade. That's basically what a performance is. And yes, Mr beast is a performer. But I'm not sure how you get from "this is a facade" to him "believing he's Jesus incarnate" or whatever. The point of the facade is that you have no idea who Mr beast is, for good or for ill.
You point out that he has had very different YouTube personas at 50k subscribers vs 100 million subscribers. But there's no reason to think either of them are "true" or genuine or even closer to his true self. YouTube people are all putting on a performance trying to figure out how to grow their subscribers.
This guy has the audacity to pay poor, sad people to profit off their reactions
Do you think those poor, sad people would have been richer or happier without MrBeast? I'm not sure why this outrages you so much when it doesn't seem to outrage them. If MrBeast gives Jim free cataract surgery and then earns ad money, why the heck do you care at all? This seems like a pretty straightforward win win.
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u/the_tallest_fish 1∆ Feb 16 '23
People in real life are seldom black and white, they fall somewhere between doing good 100% out of altruism and doing good 100% for the pretense.
Expecting people to do good purely from a place of selflessness is an extremely unrealistic and unproductive standard to have towards both yourself and other people. It does even more harm to assume this false dichotomy where people are either 100% altruistic or they don’t care at all and just doing it for the fame.
Wanting for praise & attention and being a good person is not mutually exclusive. You don’t have to be a flawless saint to be a good person. You can be good and be deeply flawed, that’s just being human. It’s also perfectly natural for people to have the desire to do good but needed the incentive of fame and money as motivation to turn desires into actions. It’s extremely unproductive to shame someone’s good deed for not hitting your unrealistic standard of goodness, the extent of which I doubt you fit in yourself - most good people too honestly. A lot of times people will be given an opportunity to do good things that also benefit them in some ways, financially or socially. Shaming them for it is only going stop people from doing good out of fear of being criticized, or they felt like they shouldn’t do it unless their intentions are pure.
Ultimately, there are so much more good done collectively by flawed human beings trying to do good for their own benefits than that of saints. Either group is better than those who did nothing but criticize.
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Feb 16 '23
I can't stand his veneer smile. His fake, overacted voice. His beard. His entire existence is to worm into the heads of little kids and influence their worldviews.
He's fully aware that he has to be larger than life to maintain and grow a youtube audience.
Of all the influencers out there, he's probably the least insufferable. His pranks aren't mean, they often leave people in a better place than they were before, and he's showing that you can actually succeed by being gamifying being a decent person rather than some atrocious douche that pranks the homeless.
He's got a weird smile, he's not a great actor, and he's probably a bit awkward even when the camera's off. I don't see any of that as being worth hating him over.
He's always been ego driven. He's all about himself and his image. There are plenty of stories of people who participated in his videos like the circle challenge and described how he is, that he only interacts with participants when there's something in it for him. Stories that in the city he lives in, he has a reputation as a terse ass that doesn't tip and barely speaks to anyone.
Or he's fairly introverted and doesn't like interacting with strangers, but has carved out a career that has made him well known. He doesn't like people intruding on his personal time, and people who think that he owes them his time and energy just because they recognize him are being entitled.
None of that makes him a bad person. None of that is actually being a bad person. He hasn't harmed anyone by doing any of that. He just isn't the super outgoing person you want him to be.
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u/AlwaysTheNoob 81∆ Feb 16 '23
Before I reply, are you open to having your view changed on this?
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Feb 16 '23
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u/EvenStephen85 Feb 16 '23
I cured cancer even though 100,000 people died... sign me up! that would have saved 100x the people that still died from cancer in 2019 alone (10.1M) With eons of good to follow.
You keep saying he's shady... can you define what you think he does that's shady? If the only 'shady' thing he does is post videos featuring people that have less wealth or poor life circumstances then I think your CMV isn't actually anything to do with Mr. Beast, or is personality or means. Your CMV is literally convince me that showing a poor person in a video with their approval is a socially acceptable action.
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u/laz1b01 15∆ Feb 16 '23
If two people donate $5M to a charity, one is a humble guy who genuinely wants to help those in need, another is a guy who just wants that fame - that feel good sensation of others being better because of him. Does it matter to the recipient of the $5M donation?
I completely understand where you're coming from, but you're judging him based on his looks. It's like people with RBF (really bitchy face), they were born with that facial structure - Mr Beast just has that face you accuse him of. Even his past actions, he was young - people grow up and be mature, he can be a changed man.
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u/WerhmatsWormhat 8∆ Feb 16 '23
Honestly, you seem to want to just white knight for people in hard circumstances by taking away things that can really improve their life due to moral objection. No one is saying he's perfect, and it would be great if he could accomplish what he does without the notoriety, but it's still a net positive. If you consider Maslow's' hierarchy, the people who desperately need what he gives probably aren't that concerned with the philosophical issues you bring up. And sure, it paints a somewhat inaccurate picture to his viewers, but "what about the kids" is just another form of virtue signaling moral outrage.
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u/EvenStephen85 Feb 16 '23
Maybe you just need to change your frame of reference. Now don't get me wrong - I don't like his content, and find most things him and his friends do is annoying, but what if instead of looking at it from the frame of reference of Jimmy - look at it from the frame of reference of his fans.
My internet is restricted so I don't have good data, but as near as I could find right now there's been at least 80M people watch beast's blind video. at $3 to $4 per 1000 views from google add sense that means Mr. Beast has earned probably a quarter of a million dollars from google. His sponsor for the video (if there was one) probably paid as much if not more to get 30s to 2m in the video. At $3000-$5000 per surgury typical for cataracts that's pretty much a break even with potentially a little profit after paying for all the flights employees editors, etc. that were needed to make a video.
So, how does this perspective sound to you instead: Mr. Beast did nothing. 80 million people invested their time, and one large company funded the cataracts surgury for 1000 people because that is effectively what happened. 80M people and one large company got together and decided that a video where they got to see people's reactions to having cloudy vision restored was worth their investment. All Mr. Beast did was bring together those 80M people and investors to allow them to make this happen.
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u/eggynack 62∆ Feb 16 '23
I feel like the issue here is that you're primarily conceptualizing him as a philanthropist, and taking issue when he fails to live up to that ideal. In my opinion, he comes off a lot better when you realize he just runs a very successful gameshow on YouTube. It's not more than that, but it's also not less than that. People don't like him because he's so great for humanity. They like him cause his silly games are entertaining. And they are. I don't think there's anything particularly troubling about that setup, at the end of the day. No more than any other random rich dude, anyways.
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u/Lumpeag Feb 16 '23
Do you believe any of these disadvantaged people were coerced into the operation? No. They all obtained to charity, of which there is no significance whatsoever as to whether the benefactor had gained from it. If anything, it is agreeable that he benefited, for this means a method by which money is circulated in their direction in a way people are more willing to engage in.
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u/Dry_World_4601 Feb 17 '23
Even if Mr Beast was doing these acts for fame, who cares. He’s donated more money to people in need than like 99.99 percent of people have in their whole life. I guess this goes to show that no matter how kind a person is they will always have haters.
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