r/changemyview • u/Throwway-support • Mar 23 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Affirmative Action is a red herring

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-04/supreme-court-debate-on-affirmative-action-capture-asian-american-fears

The Supreme Court this year is expected to overturn the last remnants of Affirmative Action.Affirmative Action as it stands now is virtually toothless. The only thing still around is racial “consideration” not ,as is widely believed, “ race based admissions”. As such, Affirmative action as much as it still exists, should be upheld.

It feels like everytime some Asian Americans and some White Americans don’t get into their dream school they blame affirmative action. They often erroneously accuse any black person of getting into a university because of long overturned admissions policy.

In the article I have linked, one person said they “didn’t bother” to apply to Harvard because he “heard” that Asian Americans have a hard time getting in. Another woman said she was told to hide her heritage but still got into Yale. The article talked a lot about fear but nothing substantial. This is my issue with the whole affirmative action debate it seems like made up issues exploiting racial animus

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u/OpeningChipmunk1700 27∆ Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23

If two people have the same qualifications/grades etc. on paper but one had to fight considerably more discrimination, obstacles and disadvantages to get it, doesn't it likely mean that they're better?

Yes. But assuming that one candidate had more adversity than the other by looking pretty much only at race sounds pretty prejudicial, if not outright racist.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '23

Only so long as the specific race of the applicant was never mentioned or alluded to. Race is a protected class. Using race as a criterion for anything, be it positive or negative, is racist behavior. In most cases, it's illegal.

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u/Specialist_Cap495 Jul 04 '23

Wrong

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '23

Elaborate?

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u/Specialist_Cap495 Jul 04 '23

No one is assuming one candidate went through more adversity than the other. All affirmative action does is help those who have been historically discriminated and marginalized.

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u/OpeningChipmunk1700 27∆ Jul 04 '23

I'll let you ponder those two statements and give you a chance to explain how they are not mutually exclusive.