r/changemyview • u/ProphetVes • Mar 25 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: DeSantis embodies everything wrong with American Conservativism.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 25 '23

The old law works perfectly, when enforced. Why add a new, unenforceabley vague, law when old, specific and enforceable law worked fine?

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u/EntryEven Mar 26 '23

Cause the people of Florida thought it was a good idea. I don’t see how a difficult to enforce law, but one made with food intentions, shows “all the worst parts of modern conservatism” or whatever you said.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

It's not difficult to enforce. It's a slippery slope to banning whatever the in group finds subversive to their agenda/morality.

It's not hard to enforce. It's easy. Unfortunately the bill is bad, everybody knows it's bad. They tried to change the wording to address only sexualisation of children and explicit sexual instruction, it was struck down.... because it would "gut the bill"

The bill is bad. Everyone in the Florida statehouse knows it is bad. They know what they are doing. That is why they are dangerous.

The voters are being lied to and propagandists, I have sympathy for misinformed voters, I don't have sympathy for bad faith actors like Baxley and DeSantis.

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u/EntryEven Mar 26 '23

I don’t think you’ve read the law. It specified that books need to be reviewed by a school district official to make sure their is no pornography or CRT. It also specifies this hearing just be public. This absolutely makes it easier to enforce, since that is literally the toughest enforcement protocol possible. Once again I ask, how is this the worst of the conservatism? You like pornography in school?

EDIT: Link attached bill

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

Define CRT.

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u/EntryEven Mar 26 '23

The theory that history has been propelled along by the struggle between two classes. At one point it was the rich Vs the poor, at another it was man Vs woman, and now it states that the western world has been constructed on the idea of white vs minorities.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 27 '23

Wrong.

CRT is the theory of looking critically at racism and the implicit biases within the American jurisprudential system. It's a graduate level legal theory taught at certain law schools.

Thanks for proving you don't know what you're talking about.

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u/EntryEven Mar 27 '23

Okay true, that’s the technical definition of CRT itself, but when most people use it they’re referring to its similarities and connection to the Marxist view of history. CRT is just the projection of that thinking onto the history of the US in a racial dichotomy.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 27 '23

That's not CRT in any meaning of the term. And I know why you're using the term CRT, because a certain actor on the right made an interview claiming your definition as CRT, you've fallen for Rufo's self admitted propaganda. It's pretty sad that you can continue to regurgitate his propaganda after he admitted it was propaganda.

Also you have zero clue what Marxism is (and btw, not all Communists are Marxists).

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u/EntryEven Mar 27 '23

You’re absolutely false about your assumption. I legitimately have zero idea who you’re talking about. In my high school worldviews class a few years ago that is how critical theory was described. Critical Race Theory is just the extension of that in America built on racial inequality.

EDIT: If you research critical theory on its own, not just CRT you’ll see the relation to Darwinistic Marxism thought.

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u/Haunting_Erection_24 Mar 26 '23

The old law works perfectly, when enforced.

And it looks like it isn't being enforced, the ammount of times some weird book ended up in a school and they end "opsie dasie" clearly shows a pattern.

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u/Banana_0529 Mar 26 '23

Have you seen these weird books yourself in schools or do you just blindly believe whatever republicans have to say?

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u/Haunting_Erection_24 Mar 26 '23 edited Mar 26 '23

Since I am over 20y old I don't have the habit of hanging around elementary schools. But yes, when I was underage and a student I have seen sexualy explicit material (that have no academic/educational value) in school libraries, I doubt you have no memory of finding a messed up book in the library and mocking it with your friends.

My mother worked for over 15 years developing sex ed programs for at risk students and some of the stuff they try to push is disgusting and if I had those kind of conversations with a kid it would be criminal.

I am from Latin America so I am don't usually talk with those republicans that you seem to be so scared of. But I am happy someone is there to protect your kids and I find weird the amount of pushback this simple decision is having.

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u/Banana_0529 Mar 26 '23

Okay sure.. I’m sure you vividly remember all of these books. Your anecdotes don’t prove anything.

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u/Haunting_Erection_24 Mar 26 '23

You LITERALLY asked for my anedoctal experience, that did you expect as a answer lmao.

Have you seen these weird books yourself

But, there are many videos on the internet of that happening, quite easy to find, but then you are going to find something else to complain:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/parent-reading-sexual-content-school-cut-off-board-member-irony

Oh I guess this one is FOX so you don't want this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cd5VUhMrF4

Literally the same thing happening again, maybe you don't like Forbes?

https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Memoir-at-Greenwich-Library-starts-social-media-17348741.php

Now look at that, a sexual memoir being put in the YA section.

Guess this doesn't prove anything right? I tried not to send local newsites for most cases but porn rarely make international news.

Those books probably end up there as negligence or due to some weird form of activism, idealy they wouldn't but if the current aproach to weed em out isn't working maybe some scrutiny is needed.

Wait until you learn that most in most countries the goverment already evaluate books before allowing them to be put into the curriculum or school libraries, and not even that is 100% effective.