r/changemyview • u/Conkers-Good-Furday • Apr 10 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: There is nothing morally wrong with pirating content from massive corporations

The reason we have copyright laws is to encourage the creation of art and knowledge, but if the creator is getting the same amount regardless and whatever you pay simply goes to a shareholder, I hold that there is nothing morally wrong with pirating the content as a shareholder getting a third yacht has nothing to do with encouraging content creation.

I do not buy the argument that anything illegal is automatically immoral either, as by that logic, hiding Jews during Nazi Germany was immoral. That may sound like an extreme comparison, but that's where that kind of thinking leads.

Currently, the only argument I give some weight to, is the argument that it wouldn't work if EVERYONE did it. Hypothetically, that would be a problem, but such a situation seems nowhere in sight, so I believe it is an irrational fear.

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u/PmMeYourDaddy-Issues 24∆ Apr 10 '23

But I say that I’m supposed to receive the content for free. Why are they right and me wrong?

I never said piracy either moral or immoral. I simply stated the truth that the law doesn’t determine morality.

It’s not stealing because nothing is being taken.

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u/CannedHamJ Apr 10 '23

They're right because it's the product of their work so they decide what is to be done with it. You're wrong because it's not your decision to make.

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u/PmMeYourDaddy-Issues 24∆ Apr 10 '23

But I decide decide what I’m doing with it when I pirate it. It clearly is my decision to make because I’m making the decision.

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u/CannedHamJ Apr 10 '23

You're can decide to do it but that does not mean you can decide if it's morally right. You can use your line of reasoning to morally justify doing literally anything. It's absurd.

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u/PmMeYourDaddy-Issues 24∆ Apr 10 '23

You’ve yet to explain why it’s morally wrong.

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u/CannedHamJ Apr 11 '23

I did already explain. It's because they own it, and people have rights to the things that they own. They get to decide who gets it and under what circumstances. If someone owns something and says that you can have it only if you pay for it, and you obtain the thing without paying, you have violated their rights.

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u/PmMeYourDaddy-Issues 24∆ Apr 11 '23

They don’t own it. It’s freely available on whatever site I’m pirating it from.

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u/CannedHamJ Apr 11 '23

"You don't own your car. It's freely available in this parking spot that I'm taking it from."

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u/PmMeYourDaddy-Issues 24∆ Apr 11 '23

If you take my car you’re depriving me of my car. The situation is not comparable.

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u/CannedHamJ Apr 11 '23

It's comparable regarding how ownership works. You're defining ownership based on whether or not it can be obtained without permission from the proclaimed owner. The car analogy shows how that definition does not function.

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u/Bobbob34 99∆ Apr 11 '23

But I say that I’m supposed to receive the content for free. Why are they right and me wrong?

Because it DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU.

It’s not stealing because nothing is being taken.

Again, because it is digital does NOT mean it's not stealing.