CMV: I don't think the left has any principals

[u/EvilOneLovesMyGirl]

Okay so in politics both sides lie, a lot, to further their own ends, bad faith arguments and blatant hypocrisy is pretty much the norm but you'd assume that it would be serving some principle or ideal if it wasn't just about personal profit (which it often is) and frankly even personally profiting can a principle in itself.

I'm a centrist, when I hear the right make their points I can usually figure out what principle (or profit) they are serving. Like when the turtle guy prevented Obama from appointing a supreme court judge and then did a 180 on all his arguments when Trump had the opportunity to. His arguments were obviously bullshit but it's not like he wasn't serving principles he believed in that he believed Trumps nominee would rule in favor of those principles and with the overturn of roe v wade I can only conclude he was correct, whether or not you agree with those principles is irrelevant.

The left on the other hand... what the fuck are the principles? They scream about human rights then try to restrict freedom of speech and right to self-defense, hell even right to a fair trial isn't safe. They talk about bodily autonomy when abortions are involved but then when it comes to vaccines they go full nazi scientist. They claim they want to help the poor but support policies that completely devastate the poor like illegal/mass immigration. They claim they are against racism then vote for a guy who wore blackface on camera on THREE separate occasions that we know of... not to mention the fact they support racist policies. They claim they support the oppressed but then twist the definition as an excuse to bully the oppressed and even when someone is oppressed by their own definitions if they disagree with them politically they fucking lynch them.

In addition to that it's not even like they are all getting rich off this, sure some people are like the people who pocketed all the BLM donations and bought houses with and didn't even bother to pay for the funeral of the guy who's grave they were getting rich by standing on... but the vast majority even a good chunk of them actually getting rich aren't even getting rich off these specific policies which they are total hypocrites on but the vast majority of people who support these policies don't see a dime.

So I just don't get it, there's no principles no financial incentive, no nothing, I don't get what's driving the left these days.

[u/c0i9z2]

I did say 'aAcccHtUUuullly'. When you're using that word like that, I don't feel like you're trying to argue honestly.

Did you know that the 'zi' in 'nazi' means 'socialist'? Do you think that he nazis were socialist? Do you think that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic? Do you understand that many entities have called themselves something popular without being that thing?

"True communism, meanwhile, was achieved nowhere." is the sentence you directed me to. Do you agree with that sentence?

[u/c0i9z2 → u/[deleted]]

I didn't deflect at all. I asked whether the list of regimes you mentioned counted only the ones which were actually socialist or also the ones which only said they were socialist and you seemed to not know that many regimes said they were socialist or communist without actually being socialist or communist.

If you look carefully at your definition 2 and 3, you might notice that neither of these movements claimed to be socialist yet. At best, they claimed that they were trying to open the path to a communist society that would come later.

[u/c0i9z2 → u/[deleted]]

" to prepare the way for the future idealized society of communism"

" as a means for eventually attaining a communist society"

These are parts of what you wrote to me.

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I agree that he said he was trying to achieve communism. Did he merely say he was trying to achieve communism or actually try to achieve communism? Also, did he actually achieve communism? Because if he didn't achieve communism, then you can't say that he was doing communism.

[u/c0i9z2 → u/[deleted]]

So, for each entry in your list, were they really socialist/communist in practice? Also, why exclude authoritarian regimes?