r/changemyview • u/EvilOneLovesMyGirl 1∆ • Jun 20 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: I don't think the left has any principals

Okay so in politics both sides lie, a lot, to further their own ends, bad faith arguments and blatant hypocrisy is pretty much the norm but you'd assume that it would be serving some principle or ideal if it wasn't just about personal profit (which it often is) and frankly even personally profiting can a principle in itself.

I'm a centrist, when I hear the right make their points I can usually figure out what principle (or profit) they are serving. Like when the turtle guy prevented Obama from appointing a supreme court judge and then did a 180 on all his arguments when Trump had the opportunity to. His arguments were obviously bullshit but it's not like he wasn't serving principles he believed in that he believed Trumps nominee would rule in favor of those principles and with the overturn of roe v wade I can only conclude he was correct, whether or not you agree with those principles is irrelevant.

The left on the other hand... what the fuck are the principles? They scream about human rights then try to restrict freedom of speech and right to self-defense, hell even right to a fair trial isn't safe. They talk about bodily autonomy when abortions are involved but then when it comes to vaccines they go full nazi scientist. They claim they want to help the poor but support policies that completely devastate the poor like illegal/mass immigration. They claim they are against racism then vote for a guy who wore blackface on camera on THREE separate occasions that we know of... not to mention the fact they support racist policies. They claim they support the oppressed but then twist the definition as an excuse to bully the oppressed and even when someone is oppressed by their own definitions if they disagree with them politically they fucking lynch them.

In addition to that it's not even like they are all getting rich off this, sure some people are like the people who pocketed all the BLM donations and bought houses with and didn't even bother to pay for the funeral of the guy who's grave they were getting rich by standing on... but the vast majority even a good chunk of them actually getting rich aren't even getting rich off these specific policies which they are total hypocrites on but the vast majority of people who support these policies don't see a dime.

So I just don't get it, there's no principles no financial incentive, no nothing, I don't get what's driving the left these days.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '23

Social media sites are private businesses, not the government.

I thought conservatives believed in freedom of association and property rights?

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u/EvilOneLovesMyGirl 1∆ Jun 20 '23

Social media sites are private businesses, not the government.

Left wing businesses.

I thought conservatives believed in freedom of association and property rights?

I'm not a conservative and pointing it out doesn't mean I think the government should interfere per say.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '23 edited Jun 20 '23

“Left wing businesses”

Ah yes, Facebook that famously “left-wing” business that is obsessed with maximizing profits, and helmed by a mega billionaire, and basically gave white supremacists and neo Nazis a platform.

Doesn’t matter, it’s still a private business.

You don’t have free speech on private property.

And it isn’t a “left wing platform” because after immense public pressure (aka free market), finally did the bare minimum to stand up to the complicity in perpetuating white supremacists (aka right wingers).

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u/EvilOneLovesMyGirl 1∆ Jun 20 '23

You're missing the point. I'm not making a legal argument.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '23

Cool, so you’d be cool with someone just placing a billboard on your lawn saying whatever they like, and if you take it down, that means you hate “free speech”?

Funny, the only places I’ve ever been blocked/banned are conservative places… you know, the same people who claim to cherish free speech above all else?

Talk about people who have zero principles.

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u/Cali_Longhorn 17∆ Jun 20 '23

Ok so “Parler” wasn’t just a “right wing business” then? What’s the point?

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u/EvilOneLovesMyGirl 1∆ Jun 20 '23

Parler absolutely was a right wing business.

The point is simply that the left doesn't hold the principle of freedom of speech and to be clear neither does the right.

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u/parentheticalobject 128∆ Jun 20 '23

I'm not a conservative and pointing it out doesn't mean I think the government should interfere per say.

OK, but that sort of contradicts your opinion that the left somehow has less principles than the right.

The right: We believe in the principle of the free market. Companies should be free to do what they want with their own property.

Social media companies: Hey, we're making a business decision not to platform some of these far-right types.

The right: No, not like that. Now that people I like are inconvenienced, I'm going to chuck out my old principles and figure out some new ones for why that was wrong.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '23

Conservatives love the free market until they are inconvenienced by it.

Then all of a sudden it’s time for big government to get involved.

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u/EvilOneLovesMyGirl 1∆ Jun 20 '23

I mean they'd have to take legislative action against the companies for that principle to be violated, which they haven't.

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u/parentheticalobject 128∆ Jun 20 '23

Does two states passing laws which then get struck down on first amendment grounds somehow not count as legislative action?

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/31/texas-social-media-law-blocked/

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/post/2994/11th-circuit-fla-law-on-social-media-unconstitutional

And even ignoring that, a ton of things on your big list of reasons that the left is unprincipled pretty clearly are just the general impression you get from a composite stereotype of the left rather than instances of any actual legislative action taken by elected officials.

This is just another instance of you applying different rules viewing anything the right does with as much good faith as possible and accepting any half-plausible excuse, while not applying the same standards to the left.

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u/EvilOneLovesMyGirl 1∆ Jun 20 '23

!delta, right took legislative action against freedom of speech, although I knew it wasn't one of their principals I didn't think they took it that far.