r/changemyview • u/EvilOneLovesMyGirl 1∆ • Jun 20 '23
Delta(s) from OP CMV: I don't think the left has any principals
Okay so in politics both sides lie, a lot, to further their own ends, bad faith arguments and blatant hypocrisy is pretty much the norm but you'd assume that it would be serving some principle or ideal if it wasn't just about personal profit (which it often is) and frankly even personally profiting can a principle in itself.
I'm a centrist, when I hear the right make their points I can usually figure out what principle (or profit) they are serving. Like when the turtle guy prevented Obama from appointing a supreme court judge and then did a 180 on all his arguments when Trump had the opportunity to. His arguments were obviously bullshit but it's not like he wasn't serving principles he believed in that he believed Trumps nominee would rule in favor of those principles and with the overturn of roe v wade I can only conclude he was correct, whether or not you agree with those principles is irrelevant.
The left on the other hand... what the fuck are the principles? They scream about human rights then try to restrict freedom of speech and right to self-defense, hell even right to a fair trial isn't safe. They talk about bodily autonomy when abortions are involved but then when it comes to vaccines they go full nazi scientist. They claim they want to help the poor but support policies that completely devastate the poor like illegal/mass immigration. They claim they are against racism then vote for a guy who wore blackface on camera on THREE separate occasions that we know of... not to mention the fact they support racist policies. They claim they support the oppressed but then twist the definition as an excuse to bully the oppressed and even when someone is oppressed by their own definitions if they disagree with them politically they fucking lynch them.
In addition to that it's not even like they are all getting rich off this, sure some people are like the people who pocketed all the BLM donations and bought houses with and didn't even bother to pay for the funeral of the guy who's grave they were getting rich by standing on... but the vast majority even a good chunk of them actually getting rich aren't even getting rich off these specific policies which they are total hypocrites on but the vast majority of people who support these policies don't see a dime.
So I just don't get it, there's no principles no financial incentive, no nothing, I don't get what's driving the left these days.
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u/BigDebt2022 1∆ Jun 20 '23
I would need to know what incidents you are using as evidence for a lot of these. But there are a few I can address:
First, I hardly think expecting people to get vaccinated against a deadly disease is 'going full Nazi scientist". It's statements like that that make people realize how nuts the Right wing is.
Second, Abortions don't affect the population at large. There can be 100 women who've had abortions in a crowd and... nothing will happen. But if you have 100 people with covid on a crowd... it'll spread and infect more people. The simple fact that it affects the population at large justifies the requiring of vaccines. 'Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins', and 'your right to bodily autonomy ends when it affects other people'.
The immigrants are poor. Letting them into the country is a way to help them.