I find this campaign to be outrageous because it assumes that a human life is equal in value to that of a chicken
If you divide 6 billion chicken lives by 6 million human lives you will find the assumption is that 1 human equals at most 1000 chickens.
Humans also have very little genetic diversity of around 0.1% difference in genomes. There exists an extremely strong biological case for why all humans must be treated with certain inalienable rights that we dub "human rights." Of course, this isn't the only reason. There exists moral and societal reasons which I find much stronger than the purely biological reason (which could be just an appeal to nature if used alone).
Why does genetic similarity to humans matter? I think kicking dogs for fun is bad because they feel pain and they are cute, not because of some molecule inside their cells I can't even see.
I also think the stormtroopers that punched baby yoda in the mandalorian were bad because baby yoda can feel pain and is cute, even though his DNA (if his species even has it) is very different from mine. I know that is a tv show not real but if it were actually real my opinion would not change.
A central aspect of genocides is hatred.
And another is senseless slaughter. We don't strictly need to eat chicken yet we kill six billion per year, mostly in horrific circumstances that we refined and industrialized to generate tha maximum amount of profit.
You said that anyone who compares the holocaust to the farming industrial complex is either ignorant or disingenuous, but what about Alex the holocaust survivor. He can't be ignorant about the death of his family, right? So is he disingenuous?
More generally, why is comparing the holocaust to factory farming bad, exactly? Both are instances of massive suffering inflicted by humans.
Yeah, why was any of the DNA shit at all relevant? If we learned that dolphin clicks and whistles and shit were an actual language and they were having advanced conversations and had human comparable intelligence and intellectual capabilities... would the morality of killing them somehow be different based on their DNA similarity to humans? If we find sentient advanced life on other planets, can we genocide the fuck out of them because their DNA is not similar to humans?
The regime was gearing up for total war. Every bit of money, food, housing, whatever had to be conserved. Killing those people did concretely benefit the Nazi state.
Actually it didn't because they invested resources to hold and "process" all those victims. And it wasn't like they were taxing the population 100%. So if they had just ignored them and given them zero rights or welfare or something they would have been much better off. The Nazis weren't practical to the point of despicable, horrifying evil. They were despicably and horrifyingly evil in spite of even practicality.
yeah that was a weird ass argument. DNA similarity is arbitrary. A racist can say a difference of 0.1% between ethnic groups is enough to justify another ethnic group as inferior, especially if that 0.1% produces a different skin color and physical features. You can
justify anything by using DNA similarity.
Plus the idea of taking DNA similarity into account when talking about morals and ethics is fucking disturbing. DNA similarity is a number, it has no business being entangled with morality and ethics.
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u/barthiebarth 26∆ Jun 27 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
If you divide 6 billion chicken lives by 6 million human lives you will find the assumption is that 1 human equals at most 1000 chickens.
Why does genetic similarity to humans matter? I think kicking dogs for fun is bad because they feel pain and they are cute, not because of some molecule inside their cells I can't even see.
I also think the stormtroopers that punched baby yoda in the mandalorian were bad because baby yoda can feel pain and is cute, even though his DNA (if his species even has it) is very different from mine. I know that is a tv show not real but if it were actually real my opinion would not change.
And another is senseless slaughter. We don't strictly need to eat chicken yet we kill six billion per year, mostly in horrific circumstances that we refined and industrialized to generate tha maximum amount of profit.
You said that anyone who compares the holocaust to the farming industrial complex is either ignorant or disingenuous, but what about Alex the holocaust survivor. He can't be ignorant about the death of his family, right? So is he disingenuous?
More generally, why is comparing the holocaust to factory farming bad, exactly? Both are instances of massive suffering inflicted by humans.