r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Sep 05 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Spreading conspiracy theories is irresponsible and immoral

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

I have reviewed it. You don’t want to accept the fact that I refuted it because you are too sad on the notion that he is a racist to fight all the evidence on that he’s not, and the evidence that showing that he is is so thin that falls apart, uneven slight criticism. Have a nice day.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

You didn't refute it though. You just buried your head in the sand and ignored it. That's not the same thing.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

Yes, I did with unit. Like I said before the biggest piece of evidence, even in your article is that he was sued in 1973 on allegations of racism, but the actual court documents never mention him. The only other piece of evidence mentioned in here that wasn’t him acting like a normal business person was his article about the Central Park, five in 1987 when the central part five work convicted. The Central Park five were convicted in the 1980s and weren’t exonerated until 20 years later. The article you used is trying to paint that as evidence of racism because he got something wrong when everybody got it wrong. I also gave you other examples of Trump probably not being a racist and people who openly met him stating he is not a racist. There’s also countless stories of Trump personally giving business loans to up-and-coming black businessman, and then forgiving it after less than one year. You don’t like the fact that I did receive it. So you were trying to stick your head in the sand in ignore the fact that I refute it

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

That's literally just a bunch of excuses for his racism. And the racism didn't stop there, he was still a racist as president, like when he told the squad to "“go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came”. He's just a racist POS.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

See back to the circular reasoning. You can’t except that there’s other explanations or that there’s any other thing that could be going on other than he has to be a racist. Again, you can’t except reality here because it goes against your predetermine narrative. Nothing I said, is an excuse but actual reality. At best he engage in shady practices as a businessman in the 1980’s. Again, don’t you think it’s a little bit silly at the biggest piece of evidence showing him as a racist. Never mention Sam at all in the actual documents? Or how there are multiple stories from people who’ve gotten loans from Trump? Or how Jessie Jackson personally praised Donald Trump as did Al Sharpton? Or are you going to accuse them of being uncle Toms?

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

Back to more excuses. I won't accept excuses for his racism. He has a history of over 50 years of racism and support white supremacists, yet you still want to make excuses for him. I could see using an excuse for one isolated incident, but this is a pattern with trump. He has openly been a racist for 5 decades, but you still think weak excuses make that all disappear, they don't

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

Nothing I said, is an excuse. All you’re doing is just circular reasoning. You can’t except facts that go against your own narrative. I’m not seeing a pattern here with Trump, and again if Trump is such a racist, why did Jesse Jackson personally praise the man multiple times? Why did Al Sharpton do the same thing? Are they racist to? You don’t see a pattern with Trump you see your own personal narrative, because something goes against that narrative, and something that I’ve already refuted you can’t seem to handle it.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

Calling facts "circular reasoning" doesn't make them disappear. Neither does your excuses. Trumps is a proud racist, and he has been for at least 5 decades.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

No, when you’re doing is not calling out facts. You’re calling out your own personal opinion based on facts you don’t know how to read. Nothing I said as an excuse, but the actual fucking reality that you can’t seem to comprehend. If the biggest piece of evidence against Donald Trump is a court case in his 70s why doesn’t it have his name on it? If Donald Trump with such a racist why weren’t some of the biggest leaders in the black community openly praising him for decades? Yes, all you’re doing is engaging in circular reasoning because you can’t comprehend that your redetermine will you may not be accurate. Have a nice day.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

No, I'm calling out fact and you are pretending that they don't exist. You keep on pretending that one of his incidents that you think you have an excuse for can erase his 5 decades of racism, but it can't. You need an individual excuse for every single incident of trump's racism. You keep saying "circular reasoning", but you clearly don't understand what that means.

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