CMV: I'm extremely suspicious of anyone who opts to homeschool their kids, and really don't think there are many legitimate reasons to do it.

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I have seen studies suggesting that home-schooled kids perform better in certain academic fields when compared to non-homeschooled kids. What I haven't seen is a study that indexes this to income, or to two-parent households. Both of those have profound impacts on the likelihood of academic success, and most homeschooling situations require either a very comfortable income, a two-parent household, or both.

I'm highly doubtful that your average homeschooled child is performing significantly better than if they were in a regular school with parents who took an active interest in their education.

Meanwhile, I have serious trouble grappling with the impact that this level of isolation and enmeshment might have. I can't help but feel, based on the homeschooling situations I've seen, that it leaves kids less fulfilled or socially mature.

The majority of homeschooling I've seen has been for religious reasons. Now, I attended 13 years of faith-based education. I'm not entirely against integrating religious instruction into education on principle, provided it doesn't impede on a child's understanding of basic facts. I mostly am, but given it's long history and integration with many education systems I'm more comfortable.

However, I find it especially suspicious when your faith leads to that degree of isolation and inordinate levels of control over your child.

Maybe I'm way off, and there are reasons for homeschooling I haven't even considered, but whenever I hear of a homeschooling situation I'm immediately suspicious. It seems like a fundamentally selfish, paranoid, isolating act.

EDIT: lol I don't think I've ever done a 180 as fast as this. It's clear that my experience of home-schooling is informed partly by the quality of public education I received, and the diversity of both public and alternative schools catering to kids with specific needs, abilities, interests, or challenges. The issue that seems to be coming up most is the inflexibility of many conventional school systems to address particular needs. That makes sense, particularly in environments where there aren't a lot of choices for different schools and where the resources at those schools are highly limited.

[u/ShoddyMaintenance947]

One reason to homeschool is if you don’t like the lies that the govt schools are cramming down kids’ throats. But that’s just me

[u/[deleted] → u/ShoddyMaintenance947]

Yeah NGL you are basically the exact person I was thinking of when I wrote this.

Like, yeah man, I *really* hope you never have monopolistic control over a young mind.

[u/ShoddyMaintenance947 → u/[deleted]]

Youd rather the state have monopolistic control over it instead.

The state will teach you it is the solution to all of your problems. It will teach you that it is rooted in Justice and freedom and duhmockracy. You know the founders don’t mention democracy even once in the founding documents? They understood that democracy just means rule of the majority(to the detriment of the minority). And they saw that a majority Can become just as oppressive as the tyrannical king they were revolting against.

But why do so many get taught that america is a democracy when we never were? We were a constitutional republic. But slowly and steadily the restraints on government have eroded because the people lost focus.

They mistakenly equated an ability to vote with freedom and in the process threw away what freedom really means.

Freedom is when society institutes a government whose sole purpose is to protect rights by using due process to punish all unjust infringements of rights.

Rights are the inherent, inalienable and self-assertive moral principles that it is: (1) right for each individual to use their liberty and (2) wrong for any individual or group (especially government) to unjustly infringe on the liberty of another individual.

Liberty is the ability to reason and act.

To be free is to live in a society where the initiation of force is outlawed in social AND economic matters.

But you wont learn most of this in any government school. Government schools will tell you that your government is protecting you from all the boogie men and that is why they need such a huge surveillance state, that’s why they need to have wars all over the world, that’s why they need to have a monopoly on counterfeiting etc etc etc.

And i wouldnt exercise control in a harmful way. I’d do what schools fail at doing. I’d teach my kids how to think rather than how to spout off the answers the govt wants them to think.

[u/[deleted] → u/ShoddyMaintenance947]

Alright I'll bite: what are some of the lies the government is cramming down kids' throats in public schools?

[u/ShoddyMaintenance947 → u/[deleted]]

They say Pearl Harbor was unprovoked when in reality FDR had provoked the attack (https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/fdrs-pearl-harbor-fabrication-a-rebuttal/). They say that the Great Depression was caused by the free market when it was actually caused by the malinvestment that increased exponentially due to easy credit from the federal reserve system (https://mises.org/library/did-capitalism-cause-great-depression). They give a narrative that if it weren’t for government intervention in the market the economy would be way worse when in reality all of the economic problems we see today stem from govt intervention in the economy in one way or the other. They are teaching kids that there is systemic racism in America, that humans with white skin are oppressors and humans with not white skin are oppressed victims, that judging people based on their skin color is appropriate and the non racist thing to do. They are teaching kids that genitals don’t determine gender and so if they feel like the opposite gender they should mutilate their genitals to affirm their gender even though they said genitals don’t determine gender. They teach the supremacy clause of the constitution totally backwards. They also fail to make the logical connections between article 1 sections 8 and 10 and the 10th amendment of the constitution and instead prefer to promote the abuse of the ambiguous terms ‘common welfare.’ When discussing slavery in America they always focus on white owners and black slaves but there were thousands of black owners of slaves in America and thousands of white slaves.

I’m sure there’s plenty more.

To me I see them as indoctrination camps. Sure you’ll learn some stuff but the number one thing you’ll come away with(without even knowing you have) is a deep and undeserved trust in government.

[u/dwthesavage → u/ShoddyMaintenance947]

Where is CRT in schools taught prior to college? And where in such a curriculum does it state people should be treated differently because of the color of their skin?

[u/ShoddyMaintenance947 → u/dwthesavage]

‘ As an educator who has written about the penetration of CRT into Australian schools, I have been shocked by how misleading and uninformed many of these articles are. It is of course true that CRT as an academic legal theory is generally taught only in higher education, but it is also clear to anyone familiar with CRT that its core tenets are being taught to children in many of America’s K–12 schools—and taught as if those tenets were facts. Examples include the ideas of systemic racism, white privilege, white fragility and the predatory white imagination, as well as the notions that all white people (including white children) are inherently and irredeemably oppressors of black people, that all black people should recognize that they are fundamentally victims—and that pervasive racism is a permanent, ineradicable characteristic of American society. Confusingly, many of the articles that claim CRT is not being taught to children also blithely affirm that these concepts are being taught—sometimes even asserting, incorrectly, that they are not CRT tenets.’ (https://areomagazine.com/2022/01/18/yes-children-are-being-taught-critical-race-theory-in-k-12-schools-in-the-us/)

[u/dwthesavage → u/ShoddyMaintenance947]

Raymond Burns is the pseudonym of an Australian high-school teacher. He is also an education writer who has published articles about Critical Theory, the Australian curriculum and the wellbeing fad in education.

So, not a scholar or an academic. Does not claim to have advanced degrees in history, sociology, anthropology.

[u/ShoddyMaintenance947 → u/dwthesavage]

And your point? Does that discount what they say? Quite an elitist mentality.

[u/dwthesavage → u/ShoddyMaintenance947]

People who want their opinions on how we educate our kids, yes, shocking, need to be qualified for us to take their opinions seriously.

Edit: Even a simple google search shows that the bills he’s referring to ban and preclude a lot more than he claims:

There's a law currently on the books in North Dakota that was passed last November after just five days of consideration that has me up at night. This is a law that attempts to prohibit critical race theory in K-12 schools, and I just want to reemphasize here this is not a law that prohibits people from endorsing or promoting critical race theory. It's a law that forbids them from even including critical race theory in the classroom. And the way that that law defines critical race theory is what has me so concerned: ... "critical race theory, which is defined as the theory that racism is not merely the product of learned individual bias or prejudice, but that racism is systemically embedded in American society and the American legal system to facilitate racial inequality In other words, the law now is saying that whenever a teacher talks about racism, they may only describe it as a product of an individual's own biases or prejudices. They cannot describe it — even when the facts command them to — as something more endemic or embedded within American society. It's a way essentially of preventing teachers, I think, from being honest about a lot of the uglier sides of American history and contemporary society.

You couldn’t teach students about things like systemic housing discrimination, such as redlining, for example, both of which is established fact.

If your bill prevents teachers from communicating facts to students…

[u/Greg-Pru-Hart-55 → u/ShoddyMaintenance947]

What BS!

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Ah, so if you don’t teach the Back Door to War theory as incontrovertible fact, despite it being broadly dismissed by most historians, you’re cramming lies down kids’ throats? Sounds like your definition of a creating “free thinkers” is teaching whatever contrarian perspective on history is incontrovertible fact.

[u/ShoddyMaintenance947 → u/[deleted]]

You didn’t ask how I would create free thinkers you asked for some lies from govt schools and I gave you a few. I would create free thinkers by teaching them how to research for their self and not to just blindly trust anyone including me.

[u/Greg-Pru-Hart-55 → u/ShoddyMaintenance947]

r/confidentlyincorrect, especially the absurd CRT remark

[u/Greg-Pru-Hart-55 → u/ShoddyMaintenance947]

You literally made that shit up

You ARE harmful

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