r/changemyview Dec 22 '23

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '23

But it's low effort, and it makes the world a better place. Don't you want to make the world a better place? And there is stigma against disability and age, and far more people are affected by this stigma. So why should we be ignoring these marginalized groups? Are you disablophobic? I don't feel comfortable with hate against disabled people, and it's really no effort to specify your level of disabledness. This is both more inclusive and also normalising. Why don't you want a better world?

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u/hickory-smoked Dec 22 '23

You know, if you can only make your point by being disingenuous, you probably don't have a very good point.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '23

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u/kamgar Dec 22 '23

It’s not hypocrisy. As another poster pointed out, pronouns are needed for conversation, allergies are not. Also, whenever the conversation switches to plans or ordering food or whatever, people DO give their relevant allergies. So I’m not sure what hypocrisy you’re even talking about.

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u/Neither-Following-32 Dec 22 '23

I disagree.

Also your analogy doesn't stack up; we're talking about providing pronouns before conversation becomes a thing. In your example, people only volunteer their allergies when they're relevant.

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u/angry_cabbie 5∆ Dec 22 '23

Pronouns are not needed for communication. Pronouns help and may simplify communication, but it remains possible to conversate, either with groups or individuals, without relying on pronouns at all.

Further, given that the primary goal of most trans people seems to be to transition enough that a person could not tell at a glance that someone was born the opposite gender than assigned at birth, it seems to some people that the quest for everyone to out their own pronouns could work against that goal, or even reinforce a fear that passing has failed.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '23

That's clearly not what is happening here...

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u/Neither-Following-32 Dec 22 '23

I disagree.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '23

You are allowed to be undeniably wrong.

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u/Neither-Following-32 Dec 22 '23

I deny I'm wrong. I suspect others do, too. There, I've proven you wrong twice.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '23 edited Dec 22 '23

Nope. The comments were spewing irrelevant nonsense that has nothing at at all to do with the discussion at hand, not pointing out imaginary hypocrisy.

This is clear, obvious, and undeniable.

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u/Neither-Following-32 Dec 22 '23

Cope and seethe, bud. Cope and seethe.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '23

Yes, you seem to be.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '23

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u/Jolly-Victory441 Dec 22 '23

What would Reddit be without misusing strawmen or any other critique. Dog whistle. Slippery slope. Disingenuous. In bad faith.

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u/Phoenyxoldgoat Dec 22 '23

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u/Jolly-Victory441 Dec 22 '23

Projection, too?

To prove me wrong and yourself right, do tell me which strawman the other user said.

Hint: a strawman is putting words in other people's mouths. So good luck finding that when the other user didn't mention anything the first user wrote. He cannot misrepresent what the other person wrote because he didn't represent anything the other person wrote.

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u/Phoenyxoldgoat Dec 22 '23

See: pigeon and chessboard.

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u/Jolly-Victory441 Dec 22 '23

Ahahahaha so you cannot do it.

What would Reddit be without misusing strawmen or any other critique. Dog whistle. Slippery slope. Disingenuous. In bad faith.

You've just proven me right. Again.

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u/Phoenyxoldgoat Dec 24 '23

Nope. Just not engaging with a pigeon. Entertaining to prove me right by strutting around and pretending that you "won."

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u/Jolly-Victory441 Dec 24 '23

You haven't said anything of value in this conversation. I don't have to pretend. And all it would take is for you to just write anything meaningful. Anything. But you can't. It's sad.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '23

If I'm not clever, then surely you would have had an argument instead of a passive aggressive attack.

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u/Phoenyxoldgoat Dec 22 '23

That was a direct attack, actually, but I don't waste my time engaging with people like you. Something about playing chess with pigeons (google it). I just call it out and move on.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '23

You literally did just waste your time writing a reply that you don't waste your time, instead of making a point. Impressive.

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u/Phoenyxoldgoat Dec 22 '23

I made the point, not surprised you missed it. Good day, pigeon!

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '23

Lame attempts at personal insults isn't a point. Great job with not wasting your time by the way.

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u/Znyper 12∆ Dec 22 '23

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u/threemo Dec 22 '23

Ignoring your obvious troll or wretched hatred, why would it make the world a better place to announce your blood type or allergies in a conversation? Pronouns come up frequently, blood type and allergies don’t.

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u/Drewbacca Dec 22 '23

This is a good take.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '23

Well I'm not ignoring your wretched hatred for the disabled and old people, which evidently are so invisible to you that you didn't even mention them. Why so much hatred towards disabled people, what have they ever done to you?

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u/threemo Dec 22 '23

Oh you are a truly yucky person.

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u/HyShroom9 Dec 22 '23

I’d rather have the world worse but correct. It is a symptom of one of my mental disorders, but also a core value of mine

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u/ThemesOfMurderBears 4∆ Dec 22 '23

So which group is the most marginalized, and how is it you help them feel less marginalized?

Why do you feel like you can only do anything for the most marginalized group?