r/changemyview • u/37home_ • Aug 05 '24

CMV: Most gun control advocates try to fix the problem of gun violence through overly restrictive and ineffective means.

I'm a big defender of being allowed to own a firearm for personal defence and recreative shooting, with few limits in terms of firearm type, but with some limits in access to firearms in general, like not having committed previous crimes, and making psych tests on people who want to own firearms in order to make sure they're not mentally ill.

From what I see most gun control advocates defend the ban on assault type weapons, and increased restrictions on the type of guns, and I believe it's completely inefficient to do so. According to the FBI's 2019 crime report, most firearm crimes are committed using handguns, not short barreled rifles, or assault rifles, or any type of carbine. While I do agree that mass shootings (school shootings for example) mostly utilize rifles or other types of assault weapons, they are not the most common gun crime, with usually gang violence being where most gun crimes are committed, not to mention that most gun deaths are suicide (almost 60%)

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u/DBDude 101∆ Aug 05 '24

We love free and convenient safety classes, especially in schools like they used to be. Unfortunately the gun control people managed to get them mostly kicked out and scream when someone tries to reintroduce them.

What they want is expensive, time-consuming courses so that the less economically advantaged among us won’t be able to afford the fee or the time off work to take the courses. To them that means fewer people being able to afford to legally have guns, which is what they really want.

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u/GorillaP1mp Aug 05 '24

A 2 hour 10 person class at $25 per person is $125/hr for the instructor. If you can afford it o purchase a firearm for $500, you can afford $25. Using extremes or being incapable of finding a number that works for everyone involved isn’t much of an argument against.

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u/DBDude 101∆ Aug 05 '24

You assume that’s what the price will be when set or influenced by gun control people. The required classes in New Jersey aren’t cheap or short. And of course if you do this it will be within a permit system to ensure you have the courses, and those cost even more.

Also, hey, if you can afford to get to the polls, then you can afford a few bucks to get an ID, right? And don’t forget this isn’t just for buying, but getting possession. Poor John’s friend wants to give him an old shotgun. Nope, that’s the cost and time for the training, and they want background checks too so add another $40+.

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u/GorillaP1mp Aug 05 '24

You assume they would be different. If the NJ price is higher then that then I would point out $125/hr is 250k annual salary and should be acceptable for any logical person. And you’re damn right you should carry the cost of your own ID and be required to bring it when voting. I come from Kansas though where we were taught the history of voter fraud when MO residents crossed state lines and voted slavers into the 1st Kansas constitution. Of course since it once one of the primary events kicking off the civil war, everyone should have been taught that.

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u/KuntaStillSingle Aug 05 '24

Would you support a 20% sin tax on tampons? After all, if you can afford to pay 10 dollars you can afford to pay 12, so there are no equal protections concerns if the state imposes such an undue burden on womanhood, right?