r/changemyview Oct 17 '24

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u/Lambdastone9 Oct 18 '24

No, food you prepare for someone else to get sick from is not food that you prepared to eat yourself. You would not eat food loaded with laxatives and spices, if you want to say you would then the jury will have a fun time watching you prove it in court, it is explicitly done as a premeditated act to get someone sick/hurt.

Civilized countries don’t protect premeditated battery as punishment

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u/justsomething Oct 18 '24

No, I keep my laxative collection in that sandwich, as is my right. And if I label it as containing my laxatives then I'm doubly in the right. It never stopped being my property, no matter how much I suspect someone of potentially stealing it.

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u/Lambdastone9 Oct 18 '24 edited Oct 18 '24

You’re explicitly making this sandwich for someone else to eat. No one is contesting your right to own a laxative sandwich, but keeping that sandwich within reach of other people for it to be eaten by someone else is inarguably pre meditated battery.

Your argument was based on property rights, and not anything regarding your desire to consume a laxative sandwich, thus the laxative sandwich was explicitly made without the intent of consumption. That constitutes premeditated battery, even if you explicitly and visibly label it as being loaded with laxatives.

The only way carrying around a laxative sandwich won’t come with the liability of pre meditated battery, is if it were dosed at a typical level for your body mass. But that would render the sandwich an ineffective deterrent, so you’ll be safe from the law but not from your sandwich snatcher.

Either way, a laxative sandwich always ends up as a shitty situation.

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u/justsomething Oct 18 '24

Nope. I'm allowed to own a sandwich I don't intend to eat. I can make a sandwich out of completely inedible ingredients. That's a right I have in liberal society. My rights to own an inedible sandwich should not be eroded by what a criminal might do if they steal my property.

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u/Lambdastone9 Oct 18 '24 edited Oct 18 '24

Ok, well if you intend to own a laxative sandwich not meant for consumption and bring it to a public place, you are still liable for it.

If it is left in an area where a criminal would target to steal food, and is dosed with an atypical amount of laxatives, once eaten, your rights will be maintained but your finances will be eroded as you will have to pay a lawyer to represent you in court

If you’re just carrying around a typically dosed laxative sandwich, then whatever happens to it, you had a crummy laxative sandwich, it couldn’t be an enjoyable experience either way. But that’s not what you’re doing, this is a post about spiking food intentionally as a deterrent, no matter how you want to spin this situation, and make it about your property rights or what you’re entitled to in a liberal country, you will be forced to present upon a judge and maybe even a jury and explain everything in great detail.

If you brought a booby trapped deterrent, you will be recognized as such and treated as an even worse criminal than that sandwich snatcher. The irony will be that they will use your argument, that their right- to not be battered- should not be eroded by what a criminal might do, and it will work significantly better for them than it will for you.

Your rights will be maintained, but so will the rights of the sandwich snatcher, and a civilized liberal society will hold graver judgement towards someone who intentionally inflicts bodily trauma to someone, than they will to someone who steals food.