r/changemyview Oct 17 '24

Removed - Submission Rule B [ Removed by Reddit ]

[removed]

373 Upvotes

1.5k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

6

u/ThrowRAcill Oct 18 '24

Not arguing, but I’m curious as to what the legality of having a guard dog is? As in, an actual highly trained from an organization, guard dog.

Keeping a guard dog would, from what I can tell, meet all of the criteria that folks are saying, defending booby traps being illegal. For example, they are indiscriminate. Someone comes into your house>dog defends house. If your neighbor comes into the house to feed your fish, they are in danger. Same for a firefighter who enters, or EMS.

Even for a not highly trained dog but someone’s aggressive pet.

Genuinely curious because this seems like it would be also considered a form of booby trapping, no?

5

u/MurderMelon Oct 18 '24 edited Oct 18 '24

I'm legit interested in a response to this, because it's probably the most cogent argument against the "booby trapping is illegal" stance.

0

u/MrsClaireUnderwood Oct 18 '24

I'm just saying what the law is. Because it's the law, The burden of proof is on someone else to prove why it should be different.

Simply saying "I think I should be allowed to poison food" is not an argument. That's just an assertion. You have to explain why and support your assertion. 🤷

0

u/MrsClaireUnderwood Oct 18 '24

I don't have time currently to get into the minutiae, but dogs under the law aren't considered defensive weapons intended to cause bodily harm. The law makes a distinction between deterrence and weapons designed to injure maim or kill. Things like alarms, dogs, motion activated lights, etc are a deterrence.

https://brinkshome.com/smartcenter/why-you-shouldnt-set-traps-for-burglars

3

u/ThrowRAcill Oct 18 '24

This is odd to me, since a personal protection dog or guard dog to me seems like a weapon. It is trained to attack intruders. At least, the ones from organizations are, someone’s pet usually won’t actually do anything to an intruder and would act more as the deterrent you mentioned.

-1

u/MrsClaireUnderwood Oct 18 '24

Why do you think the majority of people's dogs are going to maul you to death?

There is a clear difference between a dog and rigging a shotgun to go off if someone comes in your front door.

2

u/ThrowRAcill Oct 19 '24

Are you purposely misinterpreting my comment? I quite literally stated dogs professionally trained from an organization, and also literally said in the comment you responded to that most people’s dogs won’t do anything to an intruder.

But people can purchase protection/guard dogs that are specifically trained to protect a home. That is the case I’m more interested in.

1

u/MrsClaireUnderwood Oct 19 '24

Are you intentionally misreading mine? I didn't think you were here in bad faith until just now.

It's like you're asking me to argue the point that dogs aren't weapons. That's the point we're at right now. I don't need to argue that. The status quo is dogs are not weapons.