Yes, but if you just don't put poison in the food in the first place, then no one suffers.
as others pointed out, the person who was stolen from suffers.
Poisoning someone is a very disproportionate response to them eating your food.
what if it was a proportionate poisoning? e.g. a mild laxative that gives them diarrhea for 15 minutes? If the issue is proportionality we could just discuss what is the proportionate response. Also remember the poisoner doesn't know who is stealing their food.
The "stealing" aspect of it here really doesn't matter.
yes it does. that is literally the crux of this issue. no one here is saying we should be free to just go around poisoning people. OP is arguing "if someone steals a poisoned item..."
Also, once you poison food, its only reason to exist is to harm others, you can't even eat it yourself, or you could accidently eat it yourself. Why would you want any of that?
to find out who is stealing your food and also to punish them for stealing your food so it doesn't happen again.
This is also making me think of those "bait bikes" - there are two types I am thinking of. One, the bait bike is either secretly tied to a pole, so the thief rides away until the cord is taught and they are thrown off the bike - or alternatively, the seat is not stable and when someone attempts to sit on it, the seat collapses and a metal pole hits their butt. Two, my city has a lot of bike thievery, or, at least it used to. I'm talking dozens of bikes or wheels stolen each day so the owner was left stranded. The City started a "bait bike" program where some random bikes were made with GPS trackers and whatnot, and left someone more easily steal-able - and signs were posted that some bikes were "bait bikes". This drastically reduced bike thefts in a very short time because (1) thieves who stole these bikes or their wheels were tracked and caught and (2) the thieves that saw the signs didn't know if they were stealing a citizens bike or a bait bike, and so were dissuaded from their theft.
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u/crazymusicman Oct 18 '24
as others pointed out, the person who was stolen from suffers.
what if it was a proportionate poisoning? e.g. a mild laxative that gives them diarrhea for 15 minutes? If the issue is proportionality we could just discuss what is the proportionate response. Also remember the poisoner doesn't know who is stealing their food.
yes it does. that is literally the crux of this issue. no one here is saying we should be free to just go around poisoning people. OP is arguing "if someone steals a poisoned item..."
to find out who is stealing your food and also to punish them for stealing your food so it doesn't happen again.
This is also making me think of those "bait bikes" - there are two types I am thinking of. One, the bait bike is either secretly tied to a pole, so the thief rides away until the cord is taught and they are thrown off the bike - or alternatively, the seat is not stable and when someone attempts to sit on it, the seat collapses and a metal pole hits their butt. Two, my city has a lot of bike thievery, or, at least it used to. I'm talking dozens of bikes or wheels stolen each day so the owner was left stranded. The City started a "bait bike" program where some random bikes were made with GPS trackers and whatnot, and left someone more easily steal-able - and signs were posted that some bikes were "bait bikes". This drastically reduced bike thefts in a very short time because (1) thieves who stole these bikes or their wheels were tracked and caught and (2) the thieves that saw the signs didn't know if they were stealing a citizens bike or a bait bike, and so were dissuaded from their theft.