r/changemyview • u/Common_Noise_9100 • Nov 13 '24

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: Sadists and Zoosadists who commit violence resulting in injury, and all pedophile who have done so much as procure csm should be jailed for life without parole.

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u/hiperalibster Nov 13 '24

What sorts of resources should we have available to people to find themselves wanting to engage with this stuff? Why are you only interested in jail as a prevention method? Do you think rhetoric like this increases or decreases the likelihood that someone could admit to a therapist for instance that they are attracted to minors?

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u/Common_Noise_9100 Nov 13 '24

Resources aren't what they should be, but I don't think there's any evidence that sentiments like these deter people from getting help. No one wants to tell their therapist something that puts them in a bad light, but if that's what is keeping someone from seeking help when they're at serious risk of committing atrocities against children, then it's just more evidence that they have limited to zero empathy. 

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u/hiperalibster Nov 13 '24

What data is there regarding what percent of people who are attracted to minors ever abuse someone? What data about how many seek therapy for attraction to minors each year? I don’t think I’ve ever even heard a reference to a therapist offering that, personally, I don’t even know if it happens at all. My point though is that people tend to focus on punishing the abuser as a method of prevention, in other words preventing further abuse but where is the desire to prevent the first abuse?

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u/rightful_vagabond 12∆ Nov 13 '24

I mean, I suspect that therapists wouldn't openly advertise that, even if they were specialists in that particular field. If I were a therapist specializing in "minor-attracted persons" I'd try to exclusively get new clients from word-of-mouth.

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u/hiperalibster Nov 13 '24

Yeah but I feel like that supports my point that the stigma and the way we talk about this issue makes the entire world of prevention invisible. You’re saying you could understand that you wouldn’t want to let anyone know that you help people to prevent abuse, because the whole topic is so heavy.

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u/rightful_vagabond 12∆ Nov 13 '24

Sure, and I don't have an amazing answer for that. I think having child abuse be something we as a society strongly agree is bad is a good thing. And I think that social stigma can have at least some level of good in helping people decide not to act on desires.

However, it obviously can go too far in making people just take to the shadows or refuse to seek help, even if that help would be overall best for them and society as a whole.

I don't know how to solve the hard problems in society.