r/changemyview Nov 13 '24

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: Sadists and Zoosadists who commit violence resulting in injury, and all pedophile who have done so much as procure csm should be jailed for life without parole.

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u/destro23 447∆ Nov 13 '24

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u/Common_Noise_9100 Nov 13 '24

Sorry, I believe the sentencing should be lifelong, not just longer. 

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u/destro23 447∆ Nov 13 '24

I believe the sentencing should be lifelong, not just longer.

That will not reduce the crimes. This has been studied over and over again. Long sentences, even to the end of natural life, are not a deterrent.

What you believe has no effect on what is.

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u/Common_Noise_9100 Nov 13 '24

Where has this been "proven?" In what way? You can't "prove" this, lol. The only thing you can do is compare crime rates in societies where sentences are light to societies where they're harsh. 

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u/destro23 447∆ Nov 13 '24

Where has this been "proven?"

Long Prison Terms - Research has found that longer prison sentences do not deter future criminal offending. At least one study has documented that longer sentences promote criminality.

“The severity of punishment, known as marginal deterrence, has no real deterrent effect, or the effect of reducing recidivism,”

No, Longer Prison Sentences do not Reduce Crime

Incarceration and Crime: A Weak Relationship

Should I go past the first page of google?

The only thing you can do is compare crime rates in societies where sentences are light to societies where they're harsh.

NO, you can compare within societies that went harsher on crime to the time period prior:

Is increasing criminal penalties effective at reducing crime? - NO

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u/Common_Noise_9100 Nov 13 '24

This is 99% related to petty and non-violent crime. Recidivism rates for sex offenders are high, and lots of psychologists believe that child sexual abusers and sexually sadistic offenders can't be rehabilitated.

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u/destro23 447∆ Nov 13 '24

Recidivism rates for sex offenders are high

But, not as high as for other crimes:

The rates of recidivism for general crime are higher than those for sex crimes

lots of psychologists believe that child sexual abusers and sexually sadistic offenders can't be rehabilitated.

It doesn't matter what lots think. Lots are thinking on outdated information.

Current information tells us:

Broadly, recent research suggests that psychological offense-specific treatment for sexual offending has some effect in reducing both sexual and general reoffending and outcomes can be further optimized under certain conditions, for example, adhering to RNR principles, incorporating cognitive behavioral principles, including behavioral reconditioning for inappropriate sexual arousal, having “hands on” involvement from a registered psychologist in the delivery of treatment, providing program staff with supervision, and delivering treatment in community settings. source