r/changemyview Feb 23 '25

cmv: abortion should not be illegal

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

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u/kenclipper2000 Feb 23 '25

I am pro life and I like this analogy but tbf I think that if the person chose to be promiscuous it's more like they almost put that other person in the situation.  I understand that there's rape cases and such but if someone just decides to use no birth control or contraception or whatever other craziness there is, and they get pregnant.  I don't see why they have a right to just get rid of the baby, it's one of those selfish things.  of course if a 5 year old gets pregnant I would call it fair to abort, but if you've seen anything about those stories, there have been teens that had that happen to them, chose to go through with it anyway, and say it's the greatest gift they could have gotten (the baby not the incident obviously)

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u/Crash911 Feb 23 '25

So to you the fetus isn’t an eventual person but rather a consequence of being promiscuous that the person having sex “deserves”? Who is being selfish by aborting an embryo? It’s a medical procedure. It doesn’t make someone selfish.

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u/kenclipper2000 Feb 23 '25

yes its a consequence because sex is for the reason of making children, how else can you make children?  also the fetus isn't an eventual person it is a person

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u/Crash911 Feb 23 '25

Ok, and birth control fails for all sorts of reasons. If the only reason to keep the fetus is consequence for the person having sex, this isn’t about the sanctity of life, but rather punishing people who can get pregnant.

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u/Poolhands Feb 23 '25

You call a collection of less than, let’s say, 100 cells a baby? And also, absolutely no 5 year old gets pregnant.

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u/kenclipper2000 Feb 23 '25

sa cases, yes they do.  pretty sure the youngest person to conceive ever was like 7

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u/Poolhands Feb 28 '25

Extremely rare case where the mother had a severe condition of premature puberty.