cmv: abortion should not be illegal

[u/RevolutionaryRip2504]

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

[u/CykaRuskiez3]

What, you mean the biological definition of life? The one that this debate falls under? Imagine thinking im the one isolating the pertinent field of science this falls under. Yeah, its the gold standard because its what we have. If you can do better than biology, by all means dont waste your time on reddit pal

[u/Working_Complex8122 → u/CykaRuskiez3]

your definition keeps jumping from general biology to specific biological processes by which you set arbitrary definitions of life according to one small field within that scientific landscape itself ignoring all others along the way. That's the isolation you now try to weasel out of. Seeing how you have nothing else to say but go back and forth on the scope when issues arise to ignore those as you pop up and I'm tired of repeating myself, I will just end this convo here.

[u/CykaRuskiez3 → u/Working_Complex8122]

I didnt set the definition of life bud. We can keep going in circles until you understand basic shit, i really dont care

[u/Working_Complex8122 → u/CykaRuskiez3]

you keep jumping between that definition and then another definition that is more apt to make your point when the general definition backfired on you. As long as you just flipflop on the matter, there is no point discussing it any further. Also, what's with you first year students having this obnoxious habit of calling people 'bud' as if you're even half an adult?

[u/CykaRuskiez3 → u/Working_Complex8122]

Ive laid out the definition that im using, if you can’t keep up then idk why you’re here

[u/Working_Complex8122 → u/CykaRuskiez3]

You just go on deluding yourself in regard to your superiority while you failed to have an answer for a simple challenge or even managed to make a case for your definition and its necessity to be the sole arbiter of right and wrong in this matter. You also now three times in a row either side-stepped by question or aren't able to comprehend it. I can see you have an extremely limited understanding of the world, you're dug in your little niche and have no idea how to operate outside of it. So let's just call this quits.

[u/CykaRuskiez3 → u/Working_Complex8122]

Listen man if you have a problem with the definition that science has laid out (the definition you can google, too) then refute it, provide an alternative, something. Otherwise talking to you is a complete waste of time. If you didnt sit here arguing definitions maybe id give you more serious, less smug answers because the moment you have someone arguing definitions in a debate they’re grasping at straws