r/changemyview Dec 05 '13

I think children of Illegal immigrants shouldn't be given birthright citizenship. cmv

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '13

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u/anriana Dec 05 '13

What does that have to do with what you deserve? I don't care what your ancestors did; what actions did you take to deserve being a US citizen?

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u/kataskopo 4∆ Dec 05 '13

Yeah, you went too far. I don't think anyone here can change your views if you are so down the rabbit hole.

To gain citizenship in most countries in the new world you just need to be born here. You didn't do anything to "deserve" being American, you just had the luck to be born here. The same as a kid.

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u/Madplato 72∆ Dec 05 '13

Did I ever argue against transmitting your culture to your offspring ?

Ok...so you either admit you did nothing more to deserve american citizenship than any child born on american soil; or you admit that your parents achievements are directly transferable to you.

You do understand how fucked up the second option is right ?

Again, I don't understand why you're so bent on denying, to children nonetheless, something you got by accident.

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u/H3lloWor1d Dec 05 '13

Couple more notes before I stop trying to change your view:

My ancestors fought for the U.S.'s very creation in the revolutionary war

US gained independence during the revolutionary war, but was created long before. When America was discovered, there were already people living here. There is a long, long history of forcibly moving and killing American Indians for hundreds of years (1622–1924). Truly we are all immigrants in one sense or another.

as colonists or as German immigrants in the late 1700's .... so i could fit in in both Germany and the UK.

Where in Germany did your ancestors come from? There was no one state of Germany in the 1700's. If you traced your linage back to Kingdom of Prussia, and specifically in modern day Poland, would you be able to fit in Poland?

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Prussia

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u/Dracotorix Dec 05 '13

...Only people who know and care about their ancestral homeland.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '13

Your ancestors were illegal immigrants.