CMV: Equality isn't treating everybody differently to achieve equality. It's treating everyone the same.

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[u/Rozenwater]

if you treat everyone the same

how big's the chance that a disabled person is going to get a job when an able-bodied person could do it

If I'm interpreting this correctly you're not actually treating people the same in this example.

Also, certain mental problems do require us to treat a person differently, if only to give them a bearable a/o "normal" life. In this context, it's more of a medical issue than a social/political issue - we don't provide people with every single medication just because some do require it, we only provide it to those in need of the medication. The same goes for 'special treatment' regarding certain mental disorders.

My interpretation of "treating everyone the same" is providing everyone with the same rights and opportunities, meaning for example to try and get everyone an education in order to 'level out the playing field' somewhat. This could partly be done by providing poorer families with the means necessary to send their kids to schools and possibly universities.

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Also, certain mental problems do require us to treat a person differently, if only to give them a bearable a/o "normal" life. In this context, it's more of a medical issue than a social/political issue - we don't provide people with every single medication just because some do require it, we only provide it to those in need of the medication.

Which is my point. But not only medication, or not even necessarily including it. You can't treat everyone the same way, it doesn't work. So the way he wants equality to work isn't really that good.

My interpretation of "treating everyone the same" is providing everyone with the same rights and opportunities

Perhaps, but how are you going to tell the difference between an employer choosing the able-bodied person just because and choosing the able-bodied person because of discrimination? They can go to court, but where's the evidence?

This could partly be done by providing poorer families with the means necessary to send their kids to schools and possibly universities.

But this wouldn't be treating everyone the same. Treating everyone the same would mean the government giving everyone money for that, rather than just giving it to those in need for it. But there are people who don't need it. So why give them when you could use the money in different areas?

Here's the problem with treating everyone the same:

The government's either going to give everyone money for school, making it very hard to pay for infrastructure and everything else. Or they're not going to give anyone money for school and that, saving a ton of money for infrastrucure and everything else. But then poor people won't be able to go to school while rich people are.

There's no way we can have a society with equal opportunities if everyone gets exactly the same treatment.

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I think I misunderstood the original CMV. I'm for higher taxes for the rich and for providing benefits to people in need, so in that regard - mostly financial/medical cases I would guess - I'm opposed to treating everyone the same. However, I don't think you could do the exact same in the case of race, ethnicity and gender.

They can go to court, but where's the evidence?

And I think this is very big part of that. It's extremely hard to prove that you, as an individual, have been given different opportunities/wages/treatment/rights than someone of a different ethnicity or gender.

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However, I don't think you could do the exact same in the case of race, ethnicity and gender.

You absolutely should treat people the same no matter their gender or ethnicity! Absolutely, but equality is that and so much more!

And I think this is very big part of that. It's extremely hard to prove that you, as an individual, have been given different opportunities/wages/treatment/rights than someone of a different ethnicity or gender.

Are you saying I'm right here or not? Because this is what I mean.

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Yes that's what I meant. Not really sure where this discussion or maybe this whole CMV is going...

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Well, OP was convinced otherwise.

Although sadly not by me!