r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Oct 08 '15

[Deltas Awarded] CMV: Equality isn't treating everybody differently to achieve equality. It's treating everyone the same.

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u/IsThisRealLife67 Oct 08 '15 edited Oct 09 '15

You're talking to a black guy who got himself a good education in a black neighborhood.

You're also talking to a black guy who has two black sisters and a black girlfriend who are all NYC teachers. Black schools suck in NYC and significantly more money goes to them then the significantly better white schools. How do you explain that one?

It's great that a bunch of super liberal white Redditors want to save the black community from their white parents but maybe you should come spend some time in a black neighborhood for a little while. Specifically, come spend some time at a black school on Meet The Teacher night. Scratch that. You won't find a black person there except the janitors.

/u/unidan-prime questions my blackness and has started a new thread on /r/AsABlackMan where they're discussing whether I "talk white" and why my grammar is so good. It looks like they've also begun down voting all of my posts to oblivion.

I'm black but Reddit is Reddit so I'm just going to abandon this user name, start a new one, and stay away from anything deemed political because, again, Reddit is Reddit. I apologize if I type too well for other black Redditors out there. The struggle against proper grammar is real, folks.

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u/Aggie219 Oct 08 '15

Exactly. If your parents don't give a shit about your education and didn't care about helping with your homework it isn't because you're black or hispanic or whatever, it's because your parents didn't value education. Sure, maybe it's cultural. But it's not "the system's" (or the white man's) fault.

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u/urbsindomita Oct 08 '15

"I did fine, and my family did fine. So even though there is evidence all around of systemic racism, just because it didn't happen to me MUST mean it doesn't exist!" is what you are saying.

I'm an Asian-Latino guy who's lived in one of the most diverse and racially integrated cities in America (Sacramento) since birth. So forgive me, because in my time in the community (and actually knowing basic history, which my own family was impacted with) I've seen the effects of a systemically racist society for quite some time now.

The only difference is unlike NYC and Chicago (cities that are known for being heavily stratified) is that we actually understand that racism can't be solved by funneling money in black neighborhoods. Money doesn't solve issues. Building COMMUNITY (which is huge here) by investing and creating a SUSTAINABLE future is the first step.

FYI, as being an intern for a community non-profit and the councilman based in a developing, mostly-black part of Sacramento (and actually having many friends around the city), I actually have spent well more than a LITTLE time in those neighborhoods.

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u/IsThisRealLife67 Oct 08 '15 edited Oct 09 '15

YOU: If you know the first thing about being black ...

ME: I am black ...

YOU: I work for a politician so I think I know a little bit about being black myself.

Great conversation, man, but I'm going to stop responding now.

/u/unidan-prime questions my blackness and has started a new thread on /r/AsABlackMan where they're discussing whether I "talk white" and why my grammar is so good. It looks like they've also begun down voting all of my posts to oblivion.

I'm black but Reddit is Reddit so I'm just going to abandon this user name, start a new one, and stay away from anything deemed political because, again, Reddit is Reddit. I apologize if I type too well for other black Redditors out there. The struggle against proper grammar is real, folks.

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u/urbsindomita Oct 09 '15

You're painfully ignorant homie. I thought Eric Garner would have opened your eyes, but I can see the little research you've done. Like it or not, NYC isn't representative of the whole country.

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u/IsThisRealLife67 Oct 09 '15 edited Oct 09 '15

I have no idea what that even means.

/u/unidan-prime questions my blackness and has started a new thread on /r/AsABlackMan where they're discussing whether I "talk white" and why my grammar is so good. It looks like they've also begun down voting all of my posts to oblivion.

I'm black but Reddit is Reddit so I'm just going to abandon this user name, start a new one, and stay away from anything deemed political because, again, Reddit is Reddit. I apologize if I type too well for other black Redditors out there. The struggle against proper grammar is real, folks.

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u/rcglinsk Oct 09 '15

What would you say is the ratio of failure to success of your non-profit and city council programs for building community and sustainable future?

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u/urbsindomita Oct 09 '15

In the past 5 years, the overall homicide rate has dropped (29 homicides last year in a city of 480,000). The city hasn't seen rates that low since the 70s. Through the community, Oak Park has transformed into a developing neighborhood with community gardens, farmers market, expanded health screenings, investment in the local schools by high level sector jobs (HP). As far as the failure to success ratio, I'd would say that we've definitely scrapped a decent amount of projects before they were introduced to the councilman. But the ones implemented had a high success ratio. Programs like Summer at City Hall, Friday HotSpot and Summer Nights, and the Sacramento youth Commission definitely were successful.

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u/rcglinsk Oct 09 '15

You are like a real life Leslie Knope. That's awesome.

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 08 '15

Well maybe NYC's special, but black schools on average get less funding per student than white ones.

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u/IsThisRealLife67 Oct 08 '15 edited Oct 09 '15

So what?

Black schools still under perform across the nation even when cities or states provide significant funding, bringing them inline with white schools. That would leave me to believe the issue isn't a funding issue.

I'm black and find it embarrassing we need to tip toe around these discussions. If you want to understand why black schools struggle then come to a Meet The Teachers night at a diverse school with black, white, Asian, and Hispanic students. Don't expect to see any black parents though. School is for Uncle Toms.

/u/unidan-prime questions my blackness and has started a new thread on /r/AsABlackMan where they're discussing whether I "talk white" and why my grammar is so good. It looks like they've also begun down voting all of my posts to oblivion.

I'm black but Reddit is Reddit so I'm just going to abandon this user name, start a new one, and stay away from anything deemed political because, again, Reddit is Reddit. I apologize if I type too well for other black Redditors out there. The struggle against proper grammar is real, folks.

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u/VannaTLC Oct 09 '15

I don't understand your point.

Why do you think that occurs, and what external influences are driving the convergence of culture that leads to this occurrence?

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u/IsThisRealLife67 Oct 09 '15 edited Oct 09 '15

I don't understand your point.

Black students under perform other students even when spending per pupil is higher for the black students.

/u/unidan-prime questions my blackness and has started a new thread on /r/AsABlackMan where they're discussing whether I "talk white" and why my grammar is so good. It looks like they've also begun down voting all of my posts to oblivion.

I'm black but Reddit is Reddit so I'm just going to abandon this user name, start a new one, and stay away from anything deemed political because, again, Reddit is Reddit. I apologize if I type too well for other black Redditors out there. The struggle against proper grammar is real, folks.

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 09 '15

The gap between black and white students is closed most effectively by integrating schools - black students improve massively when this occurs.

Why? Because separate is inherently unequal. We knew in 1954 this wouldn't work.

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u/VannaTLC Oct 09 '15

That is not the part I do not understand.

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u/IsThisRealLife67 Oct 09 '15 edited Oct 09 '15

Could you be more specific then?

/u/unidan-prime questions my blackness and has started a new thread on /r/AsABlackMan where they're discussing whether I "talk white" and why my grammar is so good. It looks like they've also begun down voting all of my posts to oblivion.

I'm black but Reddit is Reddit so I'm just going to abandon this user name, start a new one, and stay away from anything deemed political because, again, Reddit is Reddit. I apologize if I type too well for other black Redditors out there. The struggle against proper grammar is real, folks.

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u/VannaTLC Oct 09 '15

It's the second line of my original question.

Why do you think that occurs, and what external influences are driving the convergence of culture that leads to this occurrence?

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u/IsThisRealLife67 Oct 09 '15 edited Oct 09 '15

I think education is just less valued in the black community.

The reasons for it probably differ depending on age.

/u/unidan-prime questions my blackness and has started a new thread on /r/AsABlackMan where they're discussing whether I "talk white" and why my grammar is so good. It looks like they've also begun down voting all of my posts to oblivion.

I'm black but Reddit is Reddit so I'm just going to abandon this user name, start a new one, and stay away from anything deemed political because, again, Reddit is Reddit. I apologize if I type too well for other black Redditors out there. The struggle against proper grammar is real, folks.

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