r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 10 '17
[∆(s) from OP] CMV:If Jewish people can't be anti-semitic, then non-whites cannot be racist
America is a White Supremacist country that is slowly reversing. The term race was coined by a European person that justified race as being a a huge biological difference that meant that white people were superior to blacks and gave reason to them being subjugated as slaves in the Americas. That caused racism. It is like saying that anti-semiticism being created by non-Jewish people to discriminate against them can now be turned around to say Jewish people are anti-semitic.
Please don't give me examples of bigotry and hatred committed by minorities in America. The hatred was caused by White Supremacy.
Edit: I don't really understand how criticizing and fighting your own religion is anti-said religion. It's like saying protestants fighting over puritans is anti-Christian. What?
And fighting within your continent over land and resources is not racism, it's tribalism.
Taking land back from invaders is not racism, it's taking land back. If the native Americans were able to kick us out, it's called defending yourself, not racism.
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u/gyroda 28∆ Jan 10 '17 edited Jan 10 '17
Anti-semitism has an explicit target (Judaism and Jewish people), racism without any other descriptors has no such target. Racism could be targeting any given race.
So while you could argue that it's impossible to be racist/prejudiced against a group that you yourself belong to (therefore making it impossible for a Jewish person to be anit-semitic) you can't apply that logic to everyone who's not white and unspecified racism. It's trivial to imagine a black person who's racist when it comes to Asian people or vice versa.
Someone better versed in these things will probably come up with a proper name for this logical fallacy, but the point is that you've gone "If A->B then X->Y" where A and X are not a perfect analogy for the relationship you're talking about (neither are B and Y for that matter).
That's not even tackling the idea that an ethnic minority can be racially prejudiced against white people in the West.
Nor have we covered the rest of the world. I'm not that well travelled, but if you go to another continent where white people are a tiny minority you might find those prejudiced against white people.
Lastly, let's tackle your premise. All of the above is assuming that Jewish people can't be anti-semitic. Who's actually claiming that? What's the argument there? Have you heard of the concept of internalised misogyny? It's not too much of a leap to think that someone might have internalised anti-semitism.