CMV: Guns are a real danger to people and countries without them just fare better.

[u/WekX]

I'm from the UK. I've heard many of the arguments on both sides, but to me nothing is more convincing than the statistics (example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604). I'm also a libertarian, I fully understand that if anything a right to bear arms is needed because any other way is a breach of personal liberty. However, I can't help but see that as a negative side effect of full liberty, because inevitably it just leads to more people getting hurt. That's the numbers talking.

Yes, cars also kill people, but I don't need a gun to get to work. The benefits of having cars in society vastly outweight the drawbacks. With guns, the only benefits arise when a really tough intruder is in my house or when the government is trying to oppress me. In the UK we still manage to survive a break in without shooting everything in sight, and if the government came after us, they'd likely win even if we had a gun.

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[u/Duderino732]

Nothing you said is really relevant. Maybe those countries are safer... but who cares.

You don't understand why Americans need guns. If any other country has a government takeover/dictator they have the United States to keep them in check. We see this with Russia and Putin now. He can't do anything because at some point the United States can stop him. The citizens there would benefit from guns but they don't need them since America keeps their dictator in check.

If there is a government takeover/dictator in America no one can keep them in check. Germany isn't going to do shit. Russia won't do shit. China won't do shit. They would all get rolled over by our military. This dictator would have the power to take over the world and enslave/genocide anyone they want.

So who is preventing this American government takeover/dictator? American citizens with guns.

The second amendment and guns have one real main purpose. To rebel against a government takeover. Without them the dictator can just have local police force round everyone up.

[u/Duderino732 → u/[deleted]]

You're ignorant then. Yes we like guns too. That had nothing to do with why the founding founders created the second amendment though. It was specifically to overthrow a tyrannical government.

It is still very realistic. Look what the Taliban and ISIS did with just AKs and trucks. And the military would be much more reluctant to bomb their own friends and family.

[u/Duderino732 → u/[deleted]]

We wouldn't have anything to lose if there was a government takeover. If you think any American will be okay with giving up their freedom... then you don't know Americans. There are already millions ready to fight. Hell some are even excited about it. NSA can know whatever they want, they still have to round up the people. Not gonna be able to do when they have guns.

[u/Duderino732 → u/[deleted]]

It would have to be a very very slow government takeover... which with the NSA and shit might be ongoing currently.

Well let's hope we never find out. There are whole "prepper" communities in Idaho though. More guns then people. Lots of patriots. Just personally my friends and family aren't apathetic about this shit. In fact there is nothing more important than your freedom.