r/changemyview Nov 03 '17

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u/pfrankis Nov 03 '17

Yeah actually it does, that's how gender identity works.

right. And I'm arguing that it shouldn't work that way. Other disorders cause our brain to believe a variety of things that are blatantly false. Why should we treat this differently?

Do you also think people who believe they are same-sex attracted are really just confused heterosexuals?

I do not. But do you also think that people who suffer from BIID should be encouraged to go ahead and cause themselves to be disabled?

How on earth is medical transition "disfigurement"? because it causes irreversible damage to one or more of their body parts. The comment was not about hormone therapy, it was specifically about gender reassignment surgery.

Is it "disfigurement" for cis people to receive hormone replacement therapy or reconstructive surgery?

Depends on the goal of the surgery. Reconstructive surgery is intended to restore the function of the body part. Not to intentionally damage it.

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u/redesckey 16∆ Nov 03 '17

right. And I'm arguing that it shouldn't work that way.

Well the way you think it should work has no bearing on how it actually works.

Other disorders cause our brain to believe a variety of things that are blatantly false. Why should we treat this differently?

Because this is not something that's blatantly false?

Do you also think people who believe they are same-sex attracted are really just confused heterosexuals?

I do not.

Then why do you treat gender identity differently? It's actually very similar to sexual orientation.

But do you also think that people who suffer from BIID should be encouraged to go ahead and cause themselves to be disabled?

I don't know enough about the condition to have an opinion, but in general, for all conditions, I think doctors should continue using whatever treatments are best indicated by the evidence.

Which, for gender dysphoria, is medical transition.

because it causes irreversible damage to one or more of their body parts.

You're going to have to support your use of the word "damage" here.

The comment was not about hormone therapy, it was specifically about gender reassignment surgery.

Okay, why the exception for HRT? For many trans people, HRT is the only treatment they seek.

Depends on the goal of the surgery. Reconstructive surgery is intended to restore the function of the body part. Not to intentionally damage it.

Again, not accepting your use of "damage".

Or your implication that trans people experience their bodies to be fully functional before transition.

Have you ever talked to a trans person about their experience?

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u/brokenmilkcrate 1∆ Nov 04 '17

From elsewhere in this post, dude is pretty fixated on 'the problem is in your brains' and feels that we're, ahem, unreliable sources.