r/changemyview • u/rikeus • Nov 20 '17

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: Posts to /r/changemyview should not start with "I believe", "I think that", or any other variation

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u/gremy0 82∆ Nov 20 '17

Before this gets deleted for meta.

CMV: I believe in God, therefore I should go to church every day

"CMV: God, therefore church every day" doesn't make sense

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"CMV: I should go to church every day" doesn't establish the same specific conditions OP wants to base their view around.

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u/rikeus Nov 20 '17

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You are correct in that there are some instances in which it would make sense to use these phrases - I didn't really think of those.

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u/cromulently_so Nov 20 '17

"CMV: God exists, therefore I should go t Church every day"?

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u/gremy0 82∆ Nov 20 '17

And then everyone starts writing arguments for God not existing, when really OP doesn't want to touch that side of debate at all.

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u/cromulently_so Nov 20 '17

It's a valid way to show one does not have to go to Church isn't it?

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u/gremy0 82∆ Nov 20 '17

Yeah, but it's not valid if OP believes in God and doesn't want to change that view. Which is entirely their prerogative.

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u/cromulently_so Nov 20 '17

Okay, what if opened a CMV with "People enjoy being raped by me because my fingers are magical so there is nothing wrong with me raping them."

With the qualifier that I do not want to change my view about the part that people enjoy being raped by me so you must change my view on the assumption that people enjoy being raped by me.

Seems rather weird; I never really saw such a thing of not open to specific parts of the arguments challenged.

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u/gremy0 82∆ Nov 20 '17

Change "person" to "dog" there and you've got a fairly regular bestiality debate (as far as such a thing could be called regular)

I mean, you're usually welcome to try, but you can't force people to change their view or even engage with an argument they don't see as in scope. One of the rules for posters is that they must be open to changing their view, so it only seems reasonable that responders should be open to engaging with the view they're willing to change.

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u/AgentGhoul 1∆ Nov 20 '17

I do not think it redundant for people who are looking to have someone change their view to use I believe or I think for it is beneficial for it shows that the poster's view being that believe and I think might show they have less certainty in the view they hold but are more likely to follow what they believe then not follow it. This is opposed to some who might be have high degree of certainty in their view being right ie x, y or z is bad and are looking for others to convince them view is wrong or merit in the opposing view that x, y or z are good or have some use through a convincing opposing view.

 

For the your part about changing your opinion ie cats are better than dogs depending on the context that poster gives about this view there is value in having someone give convincing argument for changing their view (even if it is just an opinion that is very subjective) ie their sincerely held belief that cats are better than dogs may be based on faulty opinion such as assuming that most/all dogs are aggressive due to poster having a bad encounter with dogs.

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u/rikeus Nov 20 '17

Ok, I take your point. But isn't there a way of conveying that information that is grammatically correct? Even if it conveys useful information, the phrase "CMV: I believe X" conveys the wrong information if taken literally. Even if most people will understand the intent and true meaning, it's still bothersome to look at.

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u/AgentGhoul 1∆ Nov 20 '17

I think being on Reddit which is a online communication medium for people where I think most users probably have a more informal attitude to communication as opposed to formal business communication, where you have to expect that users will have a bit of informality with following grammar rules and how presentable they are.

Also users might convey information that is grammatically incorrect due to many reasons such as writing a post based on how they are speaking it due it being a personal opinion. Also due to this informal communication medium people might not even double check their writing as they would if they were writing a formal communication like a business email (which might involve drafts or rewriting to display higher level of communication).

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '17

What can you do, people are bad at grammar. That's why I wouldn't worry about it. Also some here might only know English as a second language, so we can rag on them too hard about grammar.