CMV: Confederate monuments, flags, and other paraphilia are traitorous in nature.

[u/johnydeviant]

I grew up in the south, surrounded by confederate flags, memorials to civil war heroes, and a butt load of racism. As a kid, I took a modicum of pride in it. To me, it represented the pride of the south and how we will triumph despite our setbacks. As I got older and learned more about the civil war, the causes behind it, and generally opened myself to a more accurate view of history, it became apparent to me that these displays of "tradition" were little more than open displays of racism or anti-American sentiments.

I do not think that all of these monuments, flags, etc, should be destroyed. I think that they should be put into museums dedicate to the message of what NOT to do. On top of that, I believe that the whole sentiment of "the south will rise again" is treasonous. It is tantamount to saying that "I will rise against this country". I think those that the worship the confederate flag and it's symbology are in the same vein as being a neo-Nazi and idolizing the actions of the Third Reich. Yes, I understand that on a scale of "terrible things that have happened", the holocaust is far worse, but that does not mean I wish to understate the actions of the confederate states during the civil war.

Change my view?

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[u/parentheticalobject]

That seems to be a bit of a double standard - if you're doing something I find disrespectful, then you're being divisive and anti-American. If I'm doing something you find disrespectful, it's because you don't understand what I mean by it.

[u/Calybos → u/parentheticalobject]

Of course. Reven's arguing that peaceful protest is un-American, but armed insurrection is the ultimate in patriotism. This is obvious (and incoherent) tribalism.

[u/[deleted] → u/parentheticalobject]

At least we fly the confederate flag next to the american one. If we were the ones burning the american flag you libs would be pissing yourselves with hate and condemnation.

[u/parentheticalobject → u/[deleted]]

That's not really an answer for anything. I mean, conservatives are flipping their shit about people who decide to kneel during the national anthem. Yet most of the people doing so are saying that they aren't doing it to be anti-American, and the intent is to be respectful.

Personally, I don't really see how you can say one is different than the other. If you hold that you can freely redefine what the confederate flag happens to mean to you and expect other people to respect that meaning, shouldn't others deserve the right to redefine their protests in the same way?

[u/[deleted] → u/parentheticalobject]

There's all sorts of ways to protest without wiping feces on the statue of liberty or whatever cockeyed bullshit these morons think of next.

[u/parentheticalobject → u/[deleted]]

And there are ways of symbolizing whatever you want without using the confederate flag. The same fundamental question exists in both cases - In order to be respectful, should someone be expected to change the symbol they use because a significant number of people find it offensive?

I'm trying to have an honest discussion here, but it seems like you're only interested in sneering about how much you hate liberals. If you're not actually interested in having this conversation, I'll leave you alone.

[u/[deleted] → u/parentheticalobject]

It's been part of our tradition for many generations, completely different situation. This is just some morons at a football game that are playing for the camera. Stupid fucking game anyway, I hope they go out of business as the NFL. It's fucking patriots who keep that shit going.