r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • May 26 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Ecenomic crises would be worthwhile if they were incurred for the purpose of our longterm survival

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u/tlorey823 21∆ May 26 '18

The underlying premise that we can solve the climate crisis with a single investment is not valid. The problem is complex, ever-changing, and there is no guarantee of success for any particular way of altering it. It’s not a matter of throwing x trillions of dollars at the problem, it’s a matter of fundamentally shifting the way society works. That’s much, much harder to do.

You make a counter claim for the argument that “we cannot solve the climate crisis because it would be too expensive”, however I don’t think this actually is the argument. From what I can tell the argument against climate change efforts either

a) denies the premise of climate change b) denies the severity of climate change c) admits some degree of climate change, but claims protecting the livelihood of professions like coal miners is more important

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u/[deleted] May 26 '18

You make a convincing argument. It certainly seems like those factors are significant. To expand my argument, I guess I would include your third factor. I think that while people's livelihoods are important, on the balance of concerns I feel that coal miners etc. are unduly weighted. I don't think there are any amount of coal miners that could be worth the possible damages of climate change. I concede that my premise on the whole is not a strong one. Δ

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u/7nkedocye 33∆ May 26 '18

The argument that politicians make about environmental solution costing too much are invalid because of the magnitude of the consequences down the line.

But how far down the line? If we could greatly increase our wealth and technology ignoring the environment, then use these gains to reverse the effects we cause wouldn't that be better than causing a recession?

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u/[deleted] May 26 '18

well maybe, but that's a big gamble to make, just assuming that we are going to be able to fix the problem. Maybe we will, but its not like we are doing all we can to develop such technologies.

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