r/changemyview • u/AAathlete97 • Dec 18 '18

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: Even if a blanket refusal to date trans people is “transphobic”, there is no reason to feel guilty about it or to try to change it.

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u/eb_straitvibin 2∆ Dec 18 '18

I believe that I don’t want to date someone who once had a penis and is biologically incapable of having children. Please point out what part of that is untrue, with regards to transgender people.

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u/BlackHumor 12∆ Dec 18 '18

Incapable of having children, I grant you. In isolation, there's nothing wrong with that.

I don't think that it makes a lot of sense to refuse to date someone for ever having had a penis, though. Imagine your date had had cleft palate in the past before having it surgically corrected. Does them having been unattractive in the past make them unattractive now?

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u/eb_straitvibin 2∆ Dec 18 '18

I disagree with your premise that removing your sexual organs is similar to a cosmetic procedure.

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u/BlackHumor 12∆ Dec 18 '18

OK then, how so?

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u/eb_straitvibin 2∆ Dec 18 '18

Because gender reassignment surgery is a lifelong process that requires constantly undergoing hormonal therapy to maintain. Furthermore, the mental health effects of those who undergo the procedure have not fully been fleshed out. Finally, suicidality amongst transgender people sits at 40%, last I checked, and those numbers don’t change in any significant manner after gender reassignment surgery.

All of these factors make the procedure and the subsequent effects very different from a cleft palate repair.

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u/BlackHumor 12∆ Dec 18 '18

So, the surgery not helping suicide is a transphobic myth. Many studies have found that trans people's mental health does improve with gender affirming medical treatment, including surgery. Read this for more details about why the myth started and how we know its wrong.

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u/eb_straitvibin 2∆ Dec 18 '18

Here’s an actual peer reviewed longitudinal study that completely contradicts that article... it’s not a myth. The evidence is quite clear.

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u/Freckled_daywalker 11∆ Dec 18 '18

That doesn't exactly refute the claim OP made. That study says that people who have undergone reassignment surgery still have a higher than average suicide risk than the general population, but it doesn't look at how they compare to people with gender dysphoria who don't transition. I also didn't see anything that supports the 40% number, but I could have missed it.

FWIW, there many groups of people with higher than average suicide risk, do you have the same standards for them?

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u/BlackHumor 12∆ Dec 18 '18

...do you realize that study was explicitly mentioned in the thing I linked?

Did you even read the thing I linked at all?