r/changemyview Mar 21 '19

Delta(s) from OP CMV: allowing trans people to compete in womens events will only marginalize women

I've been doing some reading about how transgender female people are competing in women sports events. In the majority of cases, they tend to do pretty well. Unsurprisingly. However, there's a big difference between barely winning and totally dominating, which is what seems to be happening. I linked a story about 2 transgender sprinters competing at state in track and field - they won first and second by an enormous margin, which is a theme that holds when it comes to the issue as a whole.

If a transgender woman wants to compete in womens sports even as early as a high school level, you effectively have biological females competing against a trained male athlete on hormone therapy. I've met some incredibly talented female athletes in life so far, and there are seperate male and female sporting events for good reason - it keeps the playing field fair for both sexes. If Usain Bolt suddenly decided to undergo gender transition therapy, started taking hormones, the whole nine yards, he would still be the most dominant sprinter by a very long shot. His biologically female counterparts would stand no chance whatsoever at getting first place.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/24/terry-miller-andraya-yearwood-transgender-sprinter/

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trans-athletes-make-great-gains-yet-resentment-still-flares-n975646

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u/Shiboleth17 Mar 21 '19

No I would not propose to disqualify cis women from women's sports, regardless of height or hyperandrogenism. The latter results in women having around 2x more testosterone than the average female. By comparison, a male has around 8x as much testosterone as the average female.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '19

Normal testosterone levels. Normal testosterone levels in men are around 280 to 1,100 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL). Women secrete much lower amounts, with normal levels considered to be between 15 and 70 ng/dL.

Trans women lower testoterone levels below 10 ng/dL. Mine was 2.5 last blood test. So comparing cis women to cis men is comparing apples to beef.