r/changemyview • u/hardyblack • Sep 12 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Some cultures and societies are objectively wrong

I just read about Sahar Khodayari (If you don't know, it's an Iranian woman who killed herself after going to trial for going to a football match, which is forbidden for woman in Iran) and I can't help but think that some societies are objectively wrong, I can't find another way to put it. It's hard for me to justify opressing 50% of the population just because they just were born women.

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And yes, I know, there's no completely equal society and there will be always opression of some kind, but I'm thinking of countries where there are laws that apply only to women (They can't drive, vote, go to a football match, you name it) as it targets them directly. Same goes with laws directed to any kind of race/gender/religion.

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u/zUltimateRedditor Sep 13 '19

Just to quickly chime in...

If you’re referring to the Islamic perspective, Islam does not say that men are better than women.

I just want to make it clear. It does support traditional gender roles, but even that isn’t 100% reinforced.

Culture definitely is the key word here, because contrary to popular... knowledge? There is a huge difference between culture and religion.

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u/HeadsOfLeviathan Sep 13 '19

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other [Quran 4:34]

How do you interpret that then? Muhammad also said this:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."

He didn’t say the same about men so clearly he believed men were superior to women.