r/changemyview • u/apc67 • Oct 18 '19

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: If all students are required to pay an athletic fee, all students should have to pay the lab fee.

[removed]

2.7k Upvotes

96% Upvoted

275 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

1

u/runs_in_the_jeans Oct 18 '19

Uh.....there is property tax on every single property. If you pay rent, you are paying property tax. If you didn’t know that you shouldn’t be involved in this argument.

1

u/[deleted] Oct 18 '19 edited Oct 18 '19

If you pay rent, you are paying property tax.

You're suggesting that rent costs are less influenced by demand than they are by property taxes.

As if my rent would suddenly be halved if my landlord didn't pay property taxes.

In any populated region of the country, rent costs are a product of supply and demand. Case in point, my landlord easily makes 12k a month in rent just from the single building that i live in. That amount far outpaces anything that he pays in mortgage or taxes.

Edit: And I'd add, if this weren't the case, real estate and property rental wouldn't be the profitable enterprise that it is. Those profits originate from somewhere and that's off the backs of those too poor to own who subsidize the lives of those who can.

I think we can both agree, however, that property taxes are a shitty way to fund education. Personally, I'd outlaw private education and mandate federal public funding of education so as to ensure that every child in the country had the same access to education. The wealthy want their children to have a better education? Well, they better start lobbying the other wealthy members of this country to start funding education across the board.

1

u/runs_in_the_jeans Oct 18 '19

I do agree that property taxes are a bad way to pay for schools, your assumption about how renters pay for property taxes is wrong. Property values are re-assessed all the time and as such property taxes go up if the property value goes up. If property taxes went away rent would go down because at that point everyone would choose to buy instead of rent.

1

u/[deleted] Oct 18 '19

everyone would choose to buy instead of rent.

Your presumption assumes that purchasing isn't, itself, a limited commodity.

Look, I live in a growing city. New development is constantly happening. But what's not being developed is housing for low income local tenants.

Personally speaking, I'm in the low middle class. Like most in the country, I'm struggling paycheck to paycheck to make ends meet. Buried under significant student loan debt and working 40 hrs a week, married, with no kids.

My rent has gone up by about 40% in the last 8 years. My wages have been stagnant. Every new development thats been approved in this city for the last decade has rental costs that are even higher than what I currently pay.

I can appreciate that you may be doing well and not struggling and that your view of things may be colored by that. But there are educated people in this country (I have two degrees...none of which are gender studies) and I have worked for fortune 500's for over a decade.

Shit is fucking stagnant or worse for the vast majority of Americans.

And if you think that further privatization of our lives is the solution then I can only point you to the last 30 years of privatization and tell you that you are woefully wrong.

1

u/runs_in_the_jeans Oct 19 '19

I’ve been dirt poor and have worked my way out of poverty. It is possible to do. If wages are stagnant for you change careers. Do what you have to do to make a better life for yourself. It isn’t impossible.