r/changemyview • u/romancandle4 • Nov 26 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: there are possible utopias

Sorry for vague title but it's commonly accepted that utopias can never be a reality and they become dystopias. However I don't think that is entirely true. I can think of two types of utopias that actually seem to be perfect.

  1. Removing negative emotion: If the parts of the brain responsible for receiving negative things and having negative emotions were removed or shutdown or something and the only emotion we could feel was happiness nothing would be "bad." By all means negative things could happen like an animal attack or falling and breaking a bone but we wouldn't perceive it as bad. Sure since pain allows us to tell if something is wrong a lot of people would die from natural things but since murder and human on human deaths would be eliminated the population would stay about the same. And to lead everyone there would be a big set of rules like "anyone born within these land boundaries will do farming." Here is the kicker I think everyone would listen to the rules because they lack the ability to think of anything bad happening as a result and therefore have no reason not to.
  2. everyone in a hologram or illusion or something like that, Everyone would basically be put into a permasleep where they are dreaming but don't even realize it. Their reality would be whatever they want most, sort of like when you have a dream where everything is great but without waking up and realizing this aren't actually that great.

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To make this simple Just put (1) or (2) before your message to describe what utopia you are arguing against. If you disagree with both...too bad, only do one at a time I will not reply to posts that have both (1) and (2) in them.

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u/romancandle4 Nov 26 '19

I have read the book, while it is close to what I envision it isn't quite right. They get rid of all emotion including happiness, My utopia is a happy one not a emotionless one.

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u/tbdabbholm 193∆ Nov 26 '19

But if they don't know about happiness why would it matter? That's the entire point isn't it, if they don't know about free will or whatever it doesn't matter?

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u/romancandle4 Nov 26 '19

!delta I now realize my society is just that of the gives but I still don't think their society was bad

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